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If you where able to make your own Transformer what would it look like?

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Tetris
Sun Sept 01 2013, 05:29PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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EasternVoltageResearch wrote ...

This!

1377977422 15 FT156783 Image006


That looks like a sci-fi movie prop... yet it's real. I must obtain one, one day!
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Chris Cristini
Sun Sept 01 2013, 08:54PM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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Could you emagine trying to ship that it must way atleast A ton you think that is full of transformer oil? If so dang HA HA. Link2
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HV Enthusiast
Tue Sept 03 2013, 06:19PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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ASHPoD wrote ...

EasternVoltageResearch wrote ...

This!

1377977422 15 FT156783 Image006


That looks like a sci-fi movie prop... yet it's real. I must obtain one, one day!

This one was used to charge up a giant marx generator system. The 600kV is rectified and then charges up each stage of the marx generator. Hardcore stuff!
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Chris Cristini
Tue Sept 03 2013, 06:43PM
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Is there any calculators out there where I can enter dimensions of a core to determine what its Current capability is?
For example: __=|(:3)-|--{__ wanted to build his 13KW 20Khz ferrite how big would it have to be.


E80
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Andy
Tue Sept 03 2013, 11:28PM
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Hi Chris Cristini
I think its flux = volts/(hz*turns) , ferrite has 8.0×10−4H/m
1000volt/20000*100 = 0.0005H/m you need about 1m3 at 1000turns you need 30cm*30cm

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Patrick
Tue Sept 03 2013, 11:37PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Planar ferrite, very large cross section but very short path length, with pie windings. Vacuum drawn oil or epoxy filled...

no question in my mind... how else will you minimize loss, minimise heat, maximize power capability and maximize volts per turns.? !? then you can h-bridge each primary, and parrellel or series the outputs if your wise about it....

Cris Cristini, as for your question on calculating power, i looked and looked for more than a year, and found two possible answers, yes and no. first, the transformers are generally heat limited, of both the copper and ferrite. If you melt the copper winding its dies, if you heat the ferrite or saturate it, it loses its magnetic properties. so those are the typicall "red lines" you cross and theres no coming back. Second, as for the simulation, you really dont get simple algebra or calculus, youll need a full CFD type program, then program in your models, and destroy a few prototypes to validate it...

so i think thats the ugly answer you didnt want to here.
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Chris Cristini
Wed Sept 04 2013, 01:07AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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The truth behind everything is never ugly thanks Patrick.

And thank you andy if I can actually make a core with high enough density that works I could discover a lot of potential help to the HV comunity. Would be great for ZVS and switch mode applications

Also does any one think a ferrite variac would work for a variatable voltage smps even though most computer power supply's have a pot for voltage control. Intersting ideas have been running through my head lately.
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Ash Small
Wed Sept 04 2013, 09:03AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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For me, the interesting point in the video above is the fact that you 'may' be able to sinter these ferrites in a microwave oven. While I'm not sure how suitable magnetite is for a core, I assume it may be possible to sinter other ferrites in a microwave oven. Can anyone comment on this?
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Patrick
Wed Sept 04 2013, 03:01PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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in order to make my pie windings, im thinking of using OHP sheets and milling them in a CNC machine...
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Sulaiman
Sat Sept 07 2013, 08:54AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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Here is the core and coils of my new transformer under construction

If you don't need ladders and a crane, it's too small
Coil Assembly Of A Converter Transformer


The old one wasn't good enough

1378544068 162 FT156783 800kv Hvdc Transformer


OK, maybe I'm dreaming, nice photo's here though Link2
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