Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 24
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
hvguy (41)
thehappyelectron (14)
Justin (2024)


Next birthdays
05/15 Linas (34)
05/15 Toasty (29)
05/16 kg7bz (68)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: High Voltage
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Marx not firing, please help

Move Thread LAN_403
rulmismo
Thu Aug 15 2013, 01:39PM Print
rulmismo Registered Member #4187 Joined: Fri Nov 04 2011, 08:08PM
Location: Spain
Posts: 43
Hi,

I completed an 11 stage Marx supplied by a 8kV NST with half wave rectifier.

With just the NST I tested arcing distances with 14mm gap (with rounded tips) or 17mm gap (pointy tips). I used about this distances for tuning the gaps in the Marx.

System is like this:
NST + Terry filter (from a Tesla coil I made, as protection)-
3x 2.7M with 2x diode 10kV in series -
11 stage Marx with 1nF caps and 3x2.7M resistors.

Charging to 9-10kV peak should be complete in about 4s according sims:
Clipboard01

As a first test I fired it with just the 2 initial stages, and without the first 3x2.7M resistor (because I forgot to add it). It worked.
With the 11 stages however it doesn´t fire.

Now I put the initial 3x2.7M resistor in place to have the usual Marx circuit, and I can not fire it, nor with 2 or with the 11 stages.

I just get some minor sparking when I bridge the gaps manually with a wire. The caps seems charged (they spark noisily when bridged, see video)
http://youtu.be/uyKOpbpv4Ts

Don´t know well what´s happening, please any help will be welcomed.

Thanks and regards
Back to top
rulmismo
Fri Aug 16 2013, 12:48PM
rulmismo Registered Member #4187 Joined: Fri Nov 04 2011, 08:08PM
Location: Spain
Posts: 43
I did some measurements and voltage drop in the resistors seems ok, about 200V in total for the 11 stages. Diode is OK so in voltage terms all seems ok.

I repeated the test and I got to fire it with 3 stages and removing the first step loading resistor. With more I just get some minor arcing (like corona discharge) when I put near a wire to close the first gap, but not a sudden discharge spark.

Might be that 1nF is too low cap to fire properly?, any idea will be welcomed
Back to top
rulmismo
Wed Aug 21 2013, 01:45PM
rulmismo Registered Member #4187 Joined: Fri Nov 04 2011, 08:08PM
Location: Spain
Posts: 43
It seems that input voltage is being reduced from 10kV to half, I still don´t see exactly why,

It worked reducing the gaps to about 3-4mm, about 5kV/gap for near 60kV output 1pulse/second

see it in Marx generator2: Link2
Back to top
Dri0m
Wed Aug 28 2013, 10:10AM
Dri0m Registered Member #4497 Joined: Thu Apr 19 2012, 12:53PM
Location: Behind you
Posts: 62
> reduce spark gaps to 3-4mm, first one should be smaller than others
> resistors could be better 1-1.5M, but I think it will be fine
> try reduce main resistor to 2-3M, it could help

And change your spark gaps like this:
Jiskriste

here's mine one: Link2
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.