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IamSmooth
Mon Sept 04 2006, 03:54AM Print
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I noticed that there are semiconductors sold labeled COMPARATORS. How are these different than just buying a Norton OpAmp and using it as a comparator?
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teravolt
Mon Sept 04 2006, 04:40AM
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op-amps are used in a linear range for amplifiers and can be used as a comparator. A comparator is an opamp that is designed to have an output that has two states like TTL and used to do voltage or current level threshold detector. I dont know if this will help you . I generaly just read collage text or data sheet if I am interested enough. N.B.
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Steve Conner
Mon Sept 04 2006, 11:23AM
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Comparators are faster, but can't be used as op-amps. (A Norton op-amp probably isn't what you think it is btw.)
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IamSmooth
Tue Sept 05 2006, 02:01AM
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I have another OpAmp question for this thread. I hooked up a 741. V- is connected to GND. V+ is connected to 5v. When the OpAmp goes high it goes to 5v. When it goes low it goes to about 1v. Shouldn't it go to zero? The only connections are V+, V-, +IN and -IN.
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HV Enthusiast
Tue Sept 05 2006, 03:12AM
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No. Read the datasheet.
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IamSmooth
Wed Sept 06 2006, 11:37AM
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I see that when the two inputs are equal Vout can be above non-zero. I also see that one can connect a pot to the two null offsets and the wiper to V- to balance Vout to zero. Can this be done if the V- supply equals zero? That is, can Vout be equal to zero using the null offsets if the only supply is +5v and GND?
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Steve Conner
Wed Sept 06 2006, 11:55AM
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Time for you to learn about input common mode ranges and allowable output swings, grasshopper wink If you want a short answer: The 741 sucks on a single supply and can't really do much useful, because its output can't get down very near to the V-/ground rail (as you noticed in your earlier post) and it freaks out if you try and pull its inputs down there (as you'll probably find out soonish) Other op-amps can do much more with a single supply.

A related point: No engineer would ever try to trim the output of an op-amp to a stable point like that. Op-amps are only designed to be used with negative feedback around them (or as comparators)
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IamSmooth
Wed Sept 06 2006, 12:48PM
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Thanks. I'm just monkeying around with the 741 just to see what happens. I'm getting some comparators in soon and I'll be playing with them, too.
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