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Long-distance FM propagation

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GeordieBoy
Wed Jun 19 2013, 07:24PM Print
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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Hi all,

Getting long-distance FM propagation of broadcast stations from Europe again here in the UK today.

Could here a station called " LE MOUV' " on 87.8FM clearly on the car radio in Newcastle (North-east England) with speech in French.
Also another station called " RAC 1 " often came through on 87.7 MHz, in Spanish or Italian I think.

Both of these were in good quality stereo, complete with the RDS station idents I listed above.

It always amazes me that the weather conspires to bring in stations from many hundreds of miles across the water, and yet stations only 100-200 miles away in the same country weren't audible at all.

-Richie,
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Proud Mary
Wed Jun 19 2013, 10:09PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
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Sporadic 'E' peaks in the summer.
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Scott Fusare
Wed Jun 19 2013, 10:24PM
Scott Fusare Registered Member #531 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 10:51AM
Location: Burlington, Vermont
Posts: 125
Or is this tropo?
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Conundrum
Fri Jun 21 2013, 04:00AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
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I did wonder about solar flare activity, turns out that this can and will affect FM even though normally the effects are strongest in the SW bands.

I've also heard that people with older satellite LNBs are experiencing frequent dropouts as solar max approaches.

-A
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Carbon_Rod
Mon Jul 01 2013, 04:07PM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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There is also a horizon effect which can guide some bands propagation along the same Longitude for vast distances. Although this only occurs in a very limited amount of time during a day, the broadcast power is well below local legal limits.

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johnf
Mon Jul 01 2013, 08:05PM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
Location: Gracefield lower Hutt
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This is called TED or Trans Equatorial Ducting. It tends to happen during high air pressure events and can proporgate signals with almost no loss for 1000's of kilometres
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