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klugesmith
Sat Mar 02 2013, 08:22PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Ash Small wrote ...
...I've also been thinking, as E=1/2CV^2, does it make more sense to connect capacitors in series, rather than in parallel? (more voltage, but less charge, but energy is a factor of V^2)
Ash, you ought to know better. The stored energy in a capacitor bank is not changed by converting from parallel to series connections, and neither is the maximum power output.
The capacitance, resistance, and inductance between the bank terminals change by a factor of N^2. One configuration or the other might be a much better match for a particular ETG bridge or coilgun coil.

It's hard to argue against experimental results.
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Ash Small
Sat Mar 02 2013, 10:06PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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klugesmith wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...
...I've also been thinking, as E=1/2CV^2, does it make more sense to connect capacitors in series, rather than in parallel? (more voltage, but less charge, but energy is a factor of V^2)
Ash, you ought to know better. The stored energy in a capacitor bank is not changed by converting from parallel to series connections, and neither is the maximum power output.
The capacitance, resistance, and inductance between the bank terminals change by a factor of N^2. One configuration or the other might be a much better match for a particular ETG bridge or coilgun coil.

It's hard to argue against experimental results.


Well, I know that 1/Ct=1/C1+1/C2+1/C3.....+1/Cn, and the equation I quoted above contains a V^2 function, and I did find it puzzling that energy is a function of V^2. I also assume that the 'C' in the equation I quoted stands for charge (C=Coulombs). I'll have to look into this in more detail.




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Hanzie
Sat Mar 02 2013, 11:04PM
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I believe the 'C' stands for the capacitance in Farad. Could be wrong though.
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Ash Small
Sun Mar 03 2013, 12:11AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Hanzie wrote ...

I believe the 'C' stands for the capacitance in Farad. Could be wrong though.

You could be right, but conventionaly, capacitance is expressed in terms of 'F'.

'C' generally stands for Coulombs, from what I remember.

EDIT: In the example I gave in my previous post, 'C' stands for capacitor (C1, C2, etc.).
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Ash Small
Sun Mar 03 2013, 12:57AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Hanzie wrote ...

I believe the 'C' stands for the capacitance in Farad. Could be wrong though.

You could be right, but conventionaly, capacitance is expressed in terms of 'F'.

'C' generally stands for Coulombs, from what I remember.

EDIT: In the example I gave in my previous post, 'C' stands for capacitor (C1, C2, etc.).

EDIT: Mods, Please sort out double post. Not sure how it happened.
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Maxwell
Sun Mar 03 2013, 02:02AM
Maxwell Registered Member #8497 Joined: Tue Dec 04 2012, 06:24PM
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C is most definitely capacitance in:
energy=1/2*C*V^2

C is used in electrical schematics to denote a capacitor.
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DerAlbi
Sun Mar 03 2013, 04:13AM
DerAlbi Registered Member #2906 Joined: Sun Jun 06 2010, 02:20AM
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We need seven posts so clarify that you cant charge capacitors in parallel, then wire them in series and end up with more energy than before -.-
great job.
Does someone to accompany me? I take a walk - cant stop crying about this -.-
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Yandersen
Sun Mar 03 2013, 06:18AM
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
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Yeah, those guys need to pay a visit to school one day...

Energy of capacitor is
E=C*U*U/2,
where C is a capacitance in Farads.
The charge capacitor holds is expressed in Coloumbs:
q=C*U
When two caps are connected in series, the charge each one holds does not change - the effective capacitance becomes two times smaller. So as chain holds doubled voltage, the capacitance is halved.
Addition for curious ones:
q=C*U=I*t,
where I is a current and t is a time. I found that derivative very useful:
dU = I*dt / C
It shows for how much volts (dU) cap's voltage will change for some period of time (dt) if cap is being charged with a constant current (I).
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Wizzup
Sun Mar 03 2013, 10:30AM
Wizzup Registered Member #3302 Joined: Sun Oct 10 2010, 02:21PM
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I will build a new chamber with a similar design than the old one but I will use iron rod instead of nylon, 5mm wall thickness should hold inside anything I put in there. I will post pictures and a diagram of its structure when its ready and a video of it shooting a steel projectile through some stuff :)
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Ash Small
Sun Mar 03 2013, 11:17AM
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Sorry about the mix up. As I said, according to international convention, F stands for capacitance (Farads) and C stands for charge (Coulombs).

C=F*V
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