Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 23
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
No birthdays today

Next birthdays
05/14 hvguy (41)
05/14 thehappyelectron (14)
05/14 Justin (2024)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: Electromagnetic Projectile Accelerators
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Bullet shaping

1 2 3 
Move Thread LAN_403
Yandersen
Thu Feb 07 2013, 02:16AM Print
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
Location: Canada
Posts: 340
Let's share our experience of bullet manufacturing - from a material to the equipment involved in the process. What we use to make a projectile out from and how we shape it into a bullet for our high-end electromagnetic mass accelerators?

I use an iron rods as raw material - it's a welding rods one can buy at Home Depot or Canadian Tire. At the beginning I was just cutting pieces of desired length, making cylindrical bullets with flat front side. Now, as I'm going to higher speed I need a better shape. Rounded tip also required for reloading mechanism as bullet has to go from clip into barrel and not jamm. Using a file on a small piece of rod rotating in a drill I was able to come close to the desired shape:
1360203391 6944 FT0 Dscf0164

Howhether, dimensions come to be pretty random, file got flat, noise level was horrible - I'm afraid my neighbours were about to call the police...
So I'm looking for a small metalworking lathe machine under $500 which will simplify my life on bullet making - does anybody know where I can buy one?
Back to top
Maxwell
Thu Feb 07 2013, 03:50AM
Maxwell Registered Member #8497 Joined: Tue Dec 04 2012, 06:24PM
Location:
Posts: 74
Yandersen wrote ...

So I'm looking for a small metalworking lathe machine under $500 which will simplify my life on bullet making - does anybody know where I can buy one?

I found my local university's machine shop clears out 'antique' equipment bi-yearly. Craigslist is a good option (If they even have that in Canadia ;) )

Otherwise - a simple wood lathe would work for these purposes.

For mine, I put the stock in a rotating drill and press the tip against a rotating grinding wheel to obtain rough desired shape... then mount the drill in a vice and use a file then sand paper.
Back to top
Yandersen
Thu Feb 07 2013, 04:02AM
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
Location: Canada
Posts: 340
Well, for the lathing option, here is what I found so far:
Link2
Link2
Still it is over $700 which is a too much...
And:
Link2
Not too much less though...
Here is the price I'm looking for, but I'm unsure if this one can do the job:
Link2
Very close in price and size, but not for canada, unfortunately - maybe anyone in US wants:
Link2
Back to top
Turkey9
Thu Feb 07 2013, 08:20AM
Turkey9 Registered Member #1451 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2008, 03:48AM
Location: Boulder, Co
Posts: 661
I have the last one you linked to. I've done a fair bit of machining with it including cutting threads. I don't think a beginner could get .001" tollerances but .005" is doable. Anyway, for what you need it for it will more than suffice. I got mine off of harbor freight, do Canadians have access to them?
Back to top
Yandersen
Thu Feb 07 2013, 11:34AM
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
Location: Canada
Posts: 340
No, and they do not ship to Canada either. Pretty sad...
Back to top
Ash Small
Thu Feb 07 2013, 04:22PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4245
It's not easy to machine a rounded end with a lathe, unless it is CNC.

I hold an angle grinder in one hand, and the workpiece in the other, and get excellent results.

You can also hold or clamp the grinder to the bench, which is even easier.

You just 'twist' the workpiece in your fingers.
Back to top
Yandersen
Thu Feb 07 2013, 10:00PM
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
Location: Canada
Posts: 340
Oh, and how about that then:
Link2
Back to top
ZakWolf
Thu Feb 07 2013, 10:42PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
Location:
Posts: 608
I use a cordless drill and a bench grinder to get the rough shape. The drill holds the projectile and as it spins it makes everything even and i just grind away. Then i use a drill press and a file+sand paper. Bench grinders are like 80$us
Back to top
Yandersen
Thu Feb 07 2013, 11:51PM
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
Location: Canada
Posts: 340
So, bench grinder and a drill is a pretty common technique, I see (well, considering $700 option - no doubt it is).
But how long would it take to make a dozen of projectiles all of equal dimensions? And btw, if bench grinder will be used inside a regular appartment in a block building - is the noise level acceptable to not cause problems with neighbours?
Back to top
Ash Small
Thu Feb 07 2013, 11:58PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4245
Another option is to mount a grinding wheel in an electric drill, and clamp it in a vice (vise), or whatever, then turn the 'bullet' between your fingers.

I wouldn't do any of these in an apartment block at night, though.
Back to top
1 2 3 

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.