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Reaching
Wed Aug 30 2006, 07:56PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
Location: Hemer, Germany
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found a failure but dont know the reason, when i measure the voltages on every ic socket while all ics are out i measure the exact 5 volts on the logic and 15 volts on the driver ics and lm311 and ne555, but when i put in the 74hc14 or 74hc 109 the logic voltage increases to 11 volts amazed and i dont know why, i checked the whole pcb and there are no shorts or something else on the back and its only a 1 sided pcb . please, if someone has time, check out my pcb and compare it with steves drsstc guide driver, i dont know what to do,

heres the board file in eagle format

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ragnar
Wed Aug 30 2006, 09:12PM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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I had issues with schottky diodes clamping rails doing that....

15V on UCCs, 5V on 4046...

Except as soon as you added the diodes, I don't know if they sent the regulator crazy, but everything went wrong. =P No, they weren't incorrectly biased. ^^
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Marko
Fri Sept 01 2006, 05:24PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Doh, I don't see any obivous bugs in board.

Only difference I used is a resistive divider to assure HC14 input will fall to 0V if interrupter is accidently disconnected.


Can't you just go for a soog old signal generator and scope method..? from the beggining to the end of circuit and you'l surely find what's wrong..

If board is OK only GDT can be in bad phase or shorted...
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Reaching
Fri Sept 01 2006, 11:23PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
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gdt was not connected, its only the driver which draws around 200mA without any load, in cause of this obvious failure that the 5 volt logic goes up to 12 volts when a 74hc14 or 74hc109 is in the socket confused
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Steve Ward
Sat Sept 02 2006, 09:37PM
Steve Ward Registered Member #146 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:21AM
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Is your interrupter a 12V signal? I bet that somewhere, you are pumping too much voltage into the 5V chips, and the clamping diodes inside the chip are sending that energy to the supply, charging it up to 12V.
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Reaching
Sat Sept 02 2006, 09:41PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
Location: Hemer, Germany
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interrupter is 9volt signal with an 1k damping resistor ,this is what i used in all my drsstcs so it cant be the problem, . and the problem still exist without any interrupter connected
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Marko
Sun Sept 03 2006, 10:40AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Is your interrupter a 12V signal? I bet that somewhere, you are pumping too much voltage into the 5V chips, and the clamping diodes inside the chip are sending that energy to the supply, charging it up to 12V.

I considered that but I erased the sentence from the post cheesey

With series resistor that couldn't happen, and chip's diode will just clamp off small current to supply rail.

If there was no resistor NE555 output or 74HC14 chip itself would die much before they manage to mess up the regulator and increase logic supply voltage like such.

It just seems to be a dead regulator or etc. (78xxx sometimes do very wierd things when they die)
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Reaching
Sun Sept 03 2006, 07:35PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
Location: Hemer, Germany
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yeah cheesey found the failure on my pcb, its within the board file, a wrong jumper was set through pin3 of the ucc driver ics to +12 volt causing pin 4 from 74hc14 and pin 7 from 74hc109 floating at +12volt confused , now everything should work, still on testing
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