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Bennem
Sun Aug 13 2006, 12:27PM Print
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
Location: Westmidlands, UK
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I wonder if you guys can help me?
I've just completed building a small DRSSTC
Specs are:-
Secondary...7.5 x 2 inch wound with 36 AWG
primary.....2.75 inch wound with 12 AWG
Toroid ....1.75 x 6 (john Freau one)
Full bridge of 40n60A4D IGBT's (yeah over kill!)
Steve Wards driver circuit with primary feedback and OCD.
a LED peak current detector.

The coil seems to favour its 4th turn of the primary for maximum spark output at low voltage.

My problem is......the coils maximum output at full 240 volt mains in, is only 3.5 inch!
I have tried reversing the primary feed back conections, but then its spark output is even smaller.
I have also tried reversing the primary coil.....but seems to make no differance at all.

Any thoughts as what to try next?

Many thanks!

















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robert
Sun Aug 13 2006, 12:29PM
robert Registered Member #188 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 05:18PM
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Whats the primary capacitor value?
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Bennem
Sun Aug 13 2006, 12:32PM
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
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Hi Robert......My cap value is 75nf (two 0.15uf 3KV caps in series)
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Part Scavenger
Sun Aug 13 2006, 12:43PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
Location: Arkansas
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Are sparks alot longer at low BPS? Maybe your doubler/power cap is too small?

Maybe check the on time in the interrupter? That makes a huge difference.

Good ground?

BTW, it looks great! I've been looking forward to seeing this coil.
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Bennem
Sun Aug 13 2006, 12:58PM
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
Location: Westmidlands, UK
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My interrupter ON time is variable from 50uS to 150uS....BPS is adjustable from 2mS to 8 mS..........playing around with the interupter seems to make very little difference to spark length with this coil.......its maximum output is 3.5 inch to ground.
My primary feedback coils (two cascaded 33 turns per coil) are only half an inch in diameter....my last coil used the comonly used 1.1 inch ones FT-114A-77.....and they worked fine!........could it be that these smaller ones might hinder performance?

My storage caps are 3 x 470uf caps in parrallel....no doubler arrangment, mains voltage is 240 volt.
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Terry Fritz
Sun Aug 13 2006, 01:41PM
Terry Fritz Registered Member #393 Joined: Tue Apr 18 2006, 12:30AM
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Hi,

Are you sure the primary circuit and secondary coil are running at the same frequency? You should check with a program like this:

Link2

Cheers,

Terry
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Bennem
Sun Aug 13 2006, 04:32PM
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
Location: Westmidlands, UK
Posts: 260
Hi Terry,
Thanks for the info,
I punched in my parameters of my coil to the JAVA TC calculator,
its frquency is 392KHZ, and gives my primary coil turns of 4.95 for the same frquency,
coupling is 0.157.
I tuned my primary at 4.5 to 5 turns......spark output is about 2 inch.....1.5 inch lower than
when it's tuned to turn 4, which seems to be its maximum.
I think i will try my driver on another coil to establish whether its a driver fault, or a coil fault.

Thanks for all the feedback!! smile
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Part Scavenger
Sun Aug 13 2006, 04:42PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
Location: Arkansas
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Hmm. What does your primary current waveform look like?
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Bennem
Sun Aug 13 2006, 05:22PM
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
Location: Westmidlands, UK
Posts: 260
Hi Part Scavenger !

Yeah....i think i'll do some scope tests when i return to work on tuesday......have no isolating transformer at home. frown

Cheers. smile
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Terry Fritz
Sun Aug 13 2006, 07:36PM
Terry Fritz Registered Member #393 Joined: Tue Apr 18 2006, 12:30AM
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Hi,

Just a thought... If you are using primary current feedback and the CT is wired backwards it might do that. Mine does (guess how I know :O))

After the initial firing pulse makes a 1/2 inch arc, the feedback does everything possible to turn the coil off rather than on.

Cheers,

Terry
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