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Induction Coilgun

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Yanom
Wed Sept 12 2012, 02:17AM Print
Yanom Registered Member #4659 Joined: Sun Apr 29 2012, 06:14PM
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I've heard that, while iron is attracted to the center of a powered coil, nonferrous conductors like copper, aluminum, and zinc are repelled through the action of eddy currents. I've also heard these coilguns have efficiency advantages. So what's needed to design one of these? I tried beating a penny (copper and zinc) into a pellet shape and putting it barely inside the coil of my coilgun (500uF, 600V coilgun, 45mH, 11Ohm coil) , but firing the gun didn't repel the penny-pellet.

I've also heard that a coil shorted upon itself will also be repelled. So I made a small coil (like 30 turns) out of wire, shorted the ends together, and it fit snugly inside the coilgun. it was not repelled either. Finally, I got a whole spool of wire and set it around the barrel of the gun (touching the main firing coil), shorted the ends of the spool together, and fired the gun. The spool scooted down the barrel about 5mm. So it worked, but not very well. How do you design one of these "induction coilguns"?
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Forty
Thu Sept 13 2012, 03:30AM
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you need a coil with less turns so that the inductance is lower, di/dt is higher, and thus the induced eddy currents and repulsive force will be higher. careful you don't blow up your triggering mechanism though with the higher current peak.
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Yanom
Thu Sept 13 2012, 02:34PM
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so what really matters is how fast the current rises from 0 to max? that's what di/dt means, right (I haven't learned calculus yet, but that's a derivative, isn't it?

I've also seen an Induction coilgun based on "ringing" of the coil, with what's essentially an AC waveform flowing through the coil.

Oh, and the coil shorted upon itself is better than solid copper/aluminum, right?
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Forty
Thu Sept 13 2012, 04:28PM
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yea, that's what di/dt is, it's the rate of current change with respect to time.

I think the ringing will happen just the same with a dc pulse (it's an LRC circuit.)

I don't know if a shorted coil is better than a solid piece of metal. I've always just seen solid metal (or rings) used.
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Yanom
Fri Sept 14 2012, 12:06AM
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Forty wrote ...


I think the ringing will happen just the same with a dc pulse (it's an LRC circuit.)

the DC pulse produces AC through ringing. I've been using Barry's LRC simulator to look at these things.

also, is 136Amps per millisecond a good di/dt?
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Yanom
Wed Sept 19 2012, 12:38AM
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Yanom wrote ...

also, is 136Amps per millisecond a good di/dt?
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