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EDY19
Mon Jul 24 2006, 06:15PM Print
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I was just wondering- In my new VTTC (based on a single 6146) would a normal high voltage ceramic capacitor work for the tank cap, or should I look for a small doorknob (the power supply voltage is <700V) Even Poly caps would be an option- what would be most cost/space effective type?
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HV Enthusiast
Mon Jul 24 2006, 06:37PM
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Sure.
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EDY19
Mon Jul 24 2006, 06:58PM
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Was the sure to the normal ceramic disk type?
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Steve Conner
Mon Jul 24 2006, 09:43PM
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Maybe. I used some random 1kV disc ceramics in my tube plasma globe driver but bear in mind it was only about 30kHz and 20 watts. The caps have a harder time at higher frequencies and powers. I heard a 6146 is good for about 90w in Class-C, but knowing you guys, you'll probably end up running it off a MOT and getting about 250w for 10 seconds before it melts. >_<

If you're working at high frequencies, an air variable capacitor from an old table radio or suchlike might be a good alternative. If I was you though, I'd just try whatever caps were lying around the house wink
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Marko
Mon Jul 24 2006, 10:05PM
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ahaha steve. Well your avatars really do pwn =)

Most 'normal' ceramic caps won't work good at Mhz range even if they are high voltage and look 'beefy'. (like those legendary 'blue' 1 and 2kV, mostly 10nF caps =) )

They will heat termedously, show drastic capacitance change and may even fail due to heating.

Almost any cramic cap I had around did this at 1,4Mhz in class E.

knobs and real RF-power caps will probably work if you can scrounge something like that up.

For such low supply voltages air variable cap would be practical and nice, and if you need a fixed one use MKP capacitors. You can find 2kV rated MKP's relatively easy and they work much better than ceramics.
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EDY19
Tue Jul 25 2006, 04:58AM
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Ill chek out some air variables- I think i have a couple laying around, and that would be really handy for tuning- maybe one of those in parallel with a ~200pf capacitor for a slightly higher starting value. Thanks for the idea! I will actually run the tube right on the edge of the specs at about 650V, so no MOT for this coil smile

Edit: must have thrown it away some time back frown I'll keep looking for it.
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Finn Hammer
Tue Jul 25 2006, 05:53PM
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I would go to E-Bay and get some mica caps for real low loss in a CW application.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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EDY19
Tue Jul 25 2006, 06:31PM
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Will air variable have a lot of losses? They would be reallly handy for tuning, but if the losses are too great in this small of a system, I don't think I will get breakout.
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Marko
Tue Jul 25 2006, 06:37PM
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I think it will be pretty efficient actually, if I go it right >-<
I never tried using such capacitors and I guess it needs to be pretty big physically to do the job tough..

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EDY19
Thu Jul 27 2006, 04:03PM
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Alright, found this on ebay- would it be suitable for my ~600V in a small TC? I plan on putting another capacitor in parallel to increase the range to about 400pf-653pf The only thing I'm not sure on is how high the voltage will reach in the primary circuit, and if it will "jump" the gaps in the capacitor.
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Also, does anyone have any guesses on the capacitance of this unit:
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The guy emailed me and said the markings on it are: 154-2-98
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