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ZVS flyback driver making a screech sound

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ZakWolf
Fri Jan 27 2012, 06:18AM Print
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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I just made a new flyback driver, i have probably made around 5 now some work the first time and others dont.

So i fired it up and had to debug some things.

When i got it to work i drew about an 1 inch long arc, while i was drawing it out it made this awful screeching sound.

I thought it might be the inductor that i used. Link2
Do i need to replace it ?
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Forty
Fri Jan 27 2012, 07:43AM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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I think the screech is pretty typical. The arc is changing the load and bringing the frequency down into the audible range. I'm sure someone else can describe the reason a little better than i can at the moment (3am.) I've noticed the same thing happening every time i stretch a zvs arc out.
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Jan 27 2012, 11:29AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I think it's the circuit jumping into another oscillation mode, which is not optimal. To eliminate it you may try increasing the Q of the circuit by increasing the air gap in the core and the resonant capacitor. This might, however, result in the primary/core dissipation going up too much.
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Proud Mary
Fri Jan 27 2012, 12:09PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The sound you describe is due to kinetic energy generated in the 'flyback' core as it expands and contracts at the frequency of the alternating current. This effect is called magnetostriction and is one of the properties associated with ferromagnetism.

It is the reason that 50/60 Hz power transformers hum at 50/60 Hz, and why overloaded transformers hum ever more loudly as the overload is increased.

Magnetostriction is sometimes used to generate ultrasonic pressure waves for parts cleaning, and in high power marine echo location devices. The familar ping of Second World War submarine ASDIC - sonar - was produced by magnetostrictive transducers.
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m4ge123
Fri Jan 27 2012, 01:51PM
m4ge123 Registered Member #4118 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2011, 04:50PM
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What Forty said. If you want to get rid of it, lower the number of turns on your flyback or the value of your tank cap.
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ZakWolf
Fri Jan 27 2012, 03:28PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Thanks everyone,

I removed a cap last night and the arc was a little better im using two .68uf 250v caps.

So the inductor is ok i take it?

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m4ge123
Fri Jan 27 2012, 05:59PM
m4ge123 Registered Member #4118 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2011, 04:50PM
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Yea. An iron powder one would be better and cheaper though. A t106-26 with 50+ turns works great.
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ZakWolf
Fri Jan 27 2012, 06:41PM
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I thought that iron powder was bad for ZVS drivers.

Isn't ferrite used for higher frequencies?
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Alex M
Sat Feb 04 2012, 10:47AM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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I was experimenting with a homemade transformer last night with the ZVS for my new capacitor bank charger and at first I forgot to connect the resonant capacitor to the primary coil.

The circuit seemed to work but it made a nasty screeching noise without it.

Perhaps it would be a problem with your capacitor?
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m4ge123
Sat Feb 04 2012, 12:45PM
m4ge123 Registered Member #4118 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2011, 04:50PM
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The choke in a ZVS has constant current going through it. Iron powder works for constant current, but not for ac (you couldn't make a flyback core out of iron powder). Ferrite works for both, but saturates at a much lower current than iron powder, so it's easier to use iron powder for a cc inductor.
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