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In-line filter =? flyback converter?

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Inducktion
Tue Oct 25 2011, 02:38PM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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You know those ferrite cored in line filter things you find in TV's, SMPS, and other devices? (pic below for reference)

Link2


I was curious if that would work as a fly-back since it's already pre-made with a decent number of turns.


The only concern I have with it, is that since it's designed as a filter, each winding is the same number. But, since it's going to be ran in fly-back mode, would that matter at all? I have some pretty good sized ones and was contemplating using one of them to charge my cap bank!
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2Spoons
Tue Oct 25 2011, 10:00PM
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The ferrite will be a lossy one, so your transformer will get hot quick.
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Daedronus
Tue Oct 25 2011, 10:05PM
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you need 1 to N ratio for a flyback...where N is a rather large number, so 1 to 1 is not too good.

For example, if you make a flyback transformer with 1 to 1 ratio, and somehow manage to get 10Kv on the sec, you also get 10Kv (or more) on the primary, and whatever mosfet you will use it won't be happy.
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klugesmith
Tue Nov 01 2011, 01:00AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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The parts you pictured are more specifically called "common mode chokes". Link2 That site also has an informative page called flybacks, presenting both the transformer form (not truly a transformer) and the inductor form (more commonly called a boost converter).

As others have mentioned, the ferrite core material may be deliberately lossy.

Aside from that, you could make a flyback converter. With 1:1 ratio, the primary voltage would go as high as the output voltage when the switch opens.

But if you don't need galvanic isolation, you might as well make a boost converter. Could connect the two windings in series or parallel (with appropriate phasing) to get 4x the inductance, or same inductance @ twice the current.
[edit] For that matter, how 'bout a 1:2 autotransformer, so the primary switching transistor only needs to withstand half of the output voltage?

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Inducktion
Tue Nov 01 2011, 01:41AM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I already built my flyback converter using a core from a relatively old DC flyback, and some several hundred turns of wire I wound on it myself.

NOW, I've got to make a ZVS driver cap charger, as the one I have now is rather...slow.
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ZakWolf
Tue Nov 01 2011, 04:55AM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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I had a ZVS driver premade just for driving fly backs, when i connected it to my homemade transformer it took about 30 sec to charge a 3600uf cap bank.

I built a new one especially for the coil gun using a tank cap of 4 uf which make the caps charge in 6 seconds :D
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