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Phosphoric Acid for Etching?

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Inducktion
Sat Oct 22 2011, 05:33PM Print
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Any idea if it's any good for dissolving copper...?

I would love to experiment with it, as we have a jug of it upstairs in the bathroom as drain cleaner...
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rp181
Sun Oct 23 2011, 12:50AM
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I'm guessing no, or copper water pipes would be falling out all over the place.
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Inducktion
Tue Oct 25 2011, 04:09PM
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Yeah, that's true. :P
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Ash Small
Tue Oct 25 2011, 05:05PM
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It will clean copper (it's the phosphoric acid in coca cola (other colas are available) that cleans copper coins).

You could try electro-etching with it, 12 volts should be enough, mix with some distilled/de-ionised water (tap water will probably do), and some anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) or glycerol (glycerine).

try something like 0ne part phosphoric acid, one part H2O, eight parts glycol (amounts are approximate).

I can't guarantee it will work though, but I've a feeling it will.
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Pinky's Brain
Tue Oct 25 2011, 05:56PM
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Sulfuric acid works.
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Inducktion
Tue Oct 25 2011, 06:08PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

It will clean copper (it's the phosphoric acid in coca cola (other colas are available) that cleans copper coins).

You could try electro-etching with it, 12 volts should be enough, mix with some distilled/de-ionised water (tap water will probably do), and some anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) or glycerol (glycerine).

try something like 0ne part phosphoric acid, one part H2O, eight parts glycol (amounts are approximate).

I can't guarantee it will work though, but I've a feeling it will.

Electro-etching doesn't work too well, as I can't really make any...traces with it + the etching process isn't too reliable....a lot of spots tend to be "left" out of etching.
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Ash Small
Tue Oct 25 2011, 07:26PM
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Inducktion wrote ...


Electro-etching doesn't work too well, as I can't really make any...traces with it + the etching process isn't too reliable....a lot of spots tend to be "left" out of etching.

I'll try this myself once I get some more phosphoric acid, and I'll report on my results.
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Inducktion
Wed Oct 26 2011, 02:29PM
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Another quick note about it; The delimer already has water in it as is. I think it's 15-25% phosphoric acid the rest is water. I tried etching with Phosphoric acid, hydrogen peroxide, salt, and a 20 - 30 volt adjustable SMPS; The copper came off, actually. The solution that's left over is now a very nice dark blue color. And the copper plate itself has a lot of...blue-green stuff on it (like crystals, almost, it's very pretty) Though, that's not very specific, since...it seems all copper compounds are some form of blue or green.

H2O2 + H3PO4 + H2O + NaCl + Cu = ? ? ?
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Pinky's Brain
Wed Oct 26 2011, 03:50PM
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Are you certain the salt isn't simply reacting with the phosphoric acid to create a bog standard HCL etchant? (Plus assorted goo.)
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Inducktion
Wed Oct 26 2011, 06:12PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

Are you certain the salt isn't simply reacting with the phosphoric acid to create a bog standard HCL etchant? (Plus assorted goo.)

I think that actually might be the case... It makes sense. Could that possibly be a viable way of making HCL, since I have phosphoric acid and lots of salt? I think the green/blue stuff is copper chloride; in any case, I could use that too for etching from what I understand!

...So I either made HCL, or copper chloride. Okay.

Edit;;; So, when I add normal table salt to the blue solution the salt turns green. :|


EDIT EDIT;

Left in the solution overnight, and the copper was etched in the morning! Woo!
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