Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 9
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
One birthday today, congrats!
Vaxian (17)


Next birthdays
05/21 Dalus (34)
05/21 Kizmo (37)
05/22 Skynet (32)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: Electromagnetic Projectile Accelerators
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Question about enhanced flux linkage

Move Thread LAN_403
Saz43
Thu Oct 13 2011, 01:23AM Print
Saz43 Registered Member #1525 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:16AM
Location: America
Posts: 294
Hi,

I'm creating molded end caps for the coils on my next coilgun out of potting epoxy and iron powder, in the style of
Coilgun Systems. The only thing I've done differently is that I used a finer iron powder and applied more compression to the mold.

Now that I have one complete end cap produced, I notice that it's fully conductive (as tested by my multimeter, which reads it as a short from one side to the next). I expected it to be less than fully conductive (not a short) since the point of making the cap out of powdered iron is to prevent eddy currents from forming in the cap while the coil is discharged.

My question is, since my end-cap is conductive, will I still have problems with eddy currents? Or will fact that the cap is made from powdered iron mitigate the effects? The author of the aforementioned website doesn't have any data on the conductivity of his end caps but is clear that a powdered or laminated material must be used to reduce eddy currents.

Any insight is greatly appreciated!

1318468912 1525 FT0 Pa120001
Back to top
Forty
Thu Oct 13 2011, 03:02AM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 649
That's interesting. Is the resistance ~0 or just <100 ohms? my guesses:
perhaps your compression forced the epoxy out and the iron together, so maybe try less compression.

did you mix the iron powder very thoroughly into one of the epoxy parts before mixing the two parts together, resulting in the particles not being coated completely?

could the iron of had any slight magnetization to it that may have caused the particles to link together while in suspension?

if you don't want to remake it then you could cut a slot through it to help some with the eddy currents.
Back to top
Saz43
Fri Oct 14 2011, 03:17AM
Saz43 Registered Member #1525 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:16AM
Location: America
Posts: 294
Good news everyone,

I think I solved the problem. Turns out my piece isn't conductive! I noticed that it only measured as a short when the multimeter leads were placed across the top surface. It appears that there was a thin conductive layer right on the top. My theory is that the resin got squeezed out of the upper surface during the compression, leaving a conductive iron-rich layer at the top. This is consistent with my observation that some resin oozed out of the top of the mold while I compressed it.

Oh, and Forty, to answer your question, it read it as a dead short, R~=0.

The piece machined beautifully!

1318562256 1525 FT126084 Slide1
Back to top
Forty
Fri Oct 14 2011, 05:53PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 649
looks like an emi suppresion ring now.
could one of those be used instead or would ferrite be a poor choice?
I'm working on a single slotted mu-metal (hard drive magnet shielding) washer for the same purpose.
Back to top
Saz43
Sat Oct 15 2011, 12:46AM
Saz43 Registered Member #1525 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:16AM
Location: America
Posts: 294
Yes I believe a soft ferrite part would be ideally suited to this application, since ferrite is non-conductive and highly ferromagnetic (hence its usage for transformer cores).

The iron powder approach is advantageous when you need custom molded parts.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.