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Announcement: I am now using HCL + H2O2 (aq)....

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Patrick
Thu Oct 06 2011, 06:34PM Print
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BEGIN [gloating]

Screw Ferric chloride !!!!

I love HCL (aq) + H2O2 (aq) for etching boards, nice green colors too.
I will never ever use FeCl ever again!

END <gloating here>



Question: is the evolution of alot of chlorine gas normal? I just dont want to die.

EDIT: it can turn from a dark green to a very blue color, just by diluting with excess water! Very pretty.
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radiotech
Sat Oct 08 2011, 07:37PM
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What conc. HCl and what % H2O2 and what are mix proportions?
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Patrick
Sat Oct 08 2011, 11:26PM
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A little of one and alot of the other. (perhaps I should have been more proper on the quantitative side of things.)

31% HCL (aq), 3% H2O2 (aq) ill measure volume properly next time.
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radiotech
Sun Oct 09 2011, 08:48AM
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As pours a deeper blue to Aether's bound.

Thus spake Wordsworth.

Does the solution glow in the dark while being mixed?

Keep it up and do let us know when you find any univalent copper in the traces.
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Shrad
Sun Oct 09 2011, 10:51AM
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fyi you can reactivate the mix by just agitating it when H2O2 has escaped, as oxygen will oxydise the mix
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Oct 09 2011, 12:45PM
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I assume aerating hydrochloric acid is something you do in a well ventilated area?
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Patrick
Sun Oct 09 2011, 04:09PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

I assume aerating hydrochloric acid is something you do in a well ventilated area?
Yes, out in an abandoned parking lot.
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magnet18
Sun Oct 09 2011, 08:22PM
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I would mess with the ratios till you get the smallest amount of chlorine gas, you shouldn't have <I>too</I> much created...
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Oct 09 2011, 08:55PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Pinky's Brain wrote ...

I assume aerating hydrochloric acid is something you do in a well ventilated area?
Yes, out in an abandoned parking lot.
I have to go to the parking lot to drink a beer now? :)

Anyway, I think I'll try the sponge method with Ferric Chloride and citric acid (Edinburgh etch) next time I have something to etch ... don't feel like messing with muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide and avoiding having a tank full of chemical waste just waiting around to make a giant mess is attractive.
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Patrick
Sun Oct 09 2011, 10:13PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

Pinky's Brain wrote ...

I assume aerating hydrochloric acid is something you do in a well ventilated area?
Yes, out in an abandoned parking lot.
I have to go to the parking lot to drink a beer now? :)

Anyway, I think I'll try the sponge method with Ferric Chloride and citric acid (Edinburgh etch) next time I have something to etch ... don't feel like messing with muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide and avoiding having a tank full of chemical waste just waiting around to make a giant mess is attractive.
I dont think the HCl weakens all that nuch though, so it lasts much longer. now that ive got some darker green present it doesnt evolve nearly as much Cl. maybe the vapors are just present for the start of the solution. If to much Cl leaves then the HCl must be weakening, and that doesnt seem tobe the case once Cu ions build up.

Does everyone use the 2 parts peroxide : 1 part HCl proportions? (of 3% : 31%). i see that one show up on websites alot. But i try not to trust the internet to much.
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