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Conundrum
Wed Aug 24 2011, 07:54PM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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OK guys, I had this crazy idea.

How come you can't make magnetic solder paste using the following.

Make up a solution of copper and zinc acetate in the SnAgCu formula
Add silver by arcing from a silver electrode through the Cu/Zn acetate.

When you start getting cloudiness in the liquid (ie silver particles present),
then the formula can be tested using conductivity measurements.

Add enough dilute sodium hydroxide to neutralise the acetic acid and
precipitate out the SnAgCu as tiny particles.

Then gently heat until water is evaporated off.

Mix with prepared iron/solder flux until a paste is obtained.

Should work, in theory the iron should heat up in the induction field and
cause the adjacent solder particles to melt.

Any ideas?

see Link2

-A
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Forty
Wed Aug 24 2011, 08:52PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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shouldn't solder already melt in an induction field?
if you want the paste for surface mount components then you'd probably only be able to use it for resistors and some capacitors, as everything else would get fried by the IH. from the abstract it seems that the solder is to be a high quality, low melting point, lead free alternative. If used in a solder bath, the magnetic fields would probably also screw with the flow of your iron particles, causing the ratio of iron to SnAgCu to change with time. The iron might also oxidize, causing discoloration and poorer conductivity. How about using nickel? A magnetic solder paste that didn't rust would be great for wires (not connected to a circuit), pipes, art, etc.

I could be totally wrong with my chemistry and logic, but to me it would seem like a bad idea to ever solder any sensitive electronics using a powerful magnetic field.
It does sound like a cool experiment to try out though.
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Pinky's Brain
Wed Aug 24 2011, 11:00PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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Why does it have to be so fine? Why not just throw regular solder into a cheap ball mill and combine it with iron powder and liquid flux?
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2Spoons
Thu Aug 25 2011, 12:27AM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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Your method will yield a mess of Sn and Cu hydroxides, not alloyed nanoparticles of metal.
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Conundrum
Thu Aug 25 2011, 10:11AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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OK thanks for the tip.
Any ideas how I might make this work?

-A
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Bored Chemist
Thu Aug 25 2011, 06:13PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Get some ordinary solder paste, add iron filings and some acid flux.
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Pinky's Brain
Thu Aug 25 2011, 07:11PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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Ordinary solder paste has flux already, but it is of course rather expensive ... part of that is the difficulty of getting a good thixotropic mix, so it keeps it's shape after application.

Magnetic solder paste might behave like a magnetorheological fluid, so you could keep it rigid simply with a large permanent magnet ... in which case the composition could be far simpler than ordinary solder paste.
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