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Full-bridge plasma speaker

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Franky
Sun Jun 26 2011, 10:13AM Print
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Hi

I have question about my plasma speaker. I have built my third plasma speaker a few weeks ago. This third plasma speaker is a frequency modulated plasma speaker designed by Jan Martis. This is the following schematic.

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I’m very impressed by its performance and quality. But the spark length is a bit too small. This is because the input voltage I use is 34V. The fly back sees only the half of the input voltage, causing a small spark. Somebody told me that it was a better idea to use a full-bridge output stage. A full-bridge output stage should be more powerful and the fly back should see the full input voltage. So I did some researche and drew the following schematic (it is a bit messy)
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Is this going to work? Or am I making a mistake somewhere?

Many thanks in advance!
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ScotchTapeLord
Sun Jun 26 2011, 12:13PM
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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Looks conceptually sound, but you may also want to place a film capacitor in series with the flyback primary like you did with the gdt. You can also remove the gap from the flyback transformer with this topology.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jun 26 2011, 04:09PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hello, yes ysou should put the film cap in series with primary (~1-2 uF). That is the old design of my plasma speaker which uses frequency modulation, my new design goes back to pulse width modulation.
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Franky
Fri Jul 01 2011, 09:32AM
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Thanks you both for the answers! This should be the improved schematic.

20stage

I still have some remaining questions. Why do you want to place a capacitor in series with the flyback? I have been thinking about this. The only explanation I came up with is the following. In case of a pulse that is way to long, you create a short-circuit if you don’t use a capacitor in series with the flyback. So the capacitor is a safety device. Am I right?

Then I have another question. I have been looking on the internet to find the difference between a flyback with or without a gap. I couldn’t find an answer to that question. Can you help me out? What is the gap in the flyback anyway…..

Theoretically speaking, a PWM modulation should indeed be better then a FM modulation. I love the way the output stages of the FM modulation work. But I haven’t figured out yet how to combine this output stage with a PWM modulation. I have still loads of things to learn before I can design a schematic of my own.


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Adam Munich
Fri Jul 01 2011, 12:19PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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The capacitor softens the load for the mosfets. Instead of a direct off to direct on, like a square wave, the capacitor "rounds the corners" for lack of a better way to say that.
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Dr. ISOTOP
Fri Jul 01 2011, 12:36PM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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In the best case, the capacitor and leakage inductance of the flyback resonate at the frequency of the driver, soft-switching happens, and the MOSFETs are in happy land.
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Daedronus
Fri Jul 01 2011, 02:14PM
Daedronus Registered Member #2329 Joined: Tue Sept 01 2009, 08:25AM
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Actually the capacitor is there to assure no net DC current passes trough the transformer.

If that happens the transformer will saturate and it will look like a dead short for one pair of mosfets.
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Alex M
Mon Oct 31 2011, 11:55PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Does anyone have the schematic for this, it seems to have vanished from the thread.
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