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idea: new induction launcher coil design

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Forty
Sun Jun 05 2011, 08:03PM Print
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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how about taking a copper strip like these, soldering a thick wire to each end (parallel to the width, perpendicular to the length,) give the strip a wrap with electrical tape for insulation, and coil the strip about one of the ends to make a coil with a small circular area while maintaining high current capability?

-edit: reason: i've been wanting to come up with a way of inductively launching pre 1982 U.S. copper pennies
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Fraggle
Sun Jun 05 2011, 10:34PM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
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If you mean what I think you mean then it`ll work great. In fact I believe the first drsstc had a primary like that although I`m sure he`ll tell you himself :o)
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Barry
Mon Jun 13 2011, 12:10AM
Barry Registered Member #90 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:44PM
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Excellent idea. The pancake-coil design is very good at coupling inductively with flat round objects like pennies or flat aluminum disks. The 7KJ Discovery Channel coilgun was built precisely this way, although they call it a spiral coil.

Cheers, Barry
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DYI
Wed Jun 15 2011, 01:29PM
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Even with coils made of normal magnet wire, this works very well for launching copper coins. Last winter I was hitting about 400m/s with quarters from a 5kJ input pulse (destroyed the coils though...)
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Barry
Wed Jun 15 2011, 02:46PM
Barry Registered Member #90 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:44PM
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DYI wrote ...

Last winter I was hitting about 400m/s with quarters from a 5kJ input pulse (destroyed the coils though...)

Like!
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Forty
Sun Jun 19 2011, 05:24PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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That's a hell of a way to flip a coin.
"call it in the air... you'll have plenty of time to decide"
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Myke
Sun Jun 19 2011, 08:09PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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I was thinking about making a high power launcher this way except using some sort of plastic for insulation since I'd trust that more. It would also be able to withstand high voltages so some pretty fast pulses could be put through the coil. At really high energies, I'd have to be careful of the coil squishing itself together though the plastic. I'm not sure that's the only force I'd need to be careful of though since the coil itself would try to expand since current is traveling in the opposite direction on the other side of the coil.
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Forty
Sun Jun 19 2011, 08:40PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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yea with the greater surface areas facing each other i'm sure it would have to be reinforced a bit. make the spiral and then force some epoxy putty down into it maybe?
my hope was that this kind of design might not explode every time it is fired, and that it could have a small circular surface area.
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Barry
Sun Jun 19 2011, 10:45PM
Barry Registered Member #90 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:44PM
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How much copper does the coil require to hold itself together?
I don't know but I can offer one sample point ... The Discovery Channel coilgun remained intact after many firings from a 7 KJ capacitor bank. The coil was built with 2mm thick x 10 mm width copper that was wound in a spiral and annealed so it wouldn't try to unwind itself. Just sayin'.

Barry
I'm trying hard to be a Type A personality, but I'm just to lazy and apathetic to do it very well.
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