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Forty
Thu May 26 2011, 10:42PM Print
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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No chemistry posts in a week? fine, i've got questions then.

i have several dc flybacks that i've destroyed while trying to get the cores out, does anyone know of a solvent for that white epoxy stuff so that i could salvage the HV diodes/capacitors out of their carcasses?

i disassembled a MOT and have two nice coils of wire from it. the primary wire has been very useful for winding toroids and flyback primaries using leather gloves to flake away the epoxy. However, the secondary is very difficult to work with because of the epoxy slivers of death i get whenever handling it. Does anyone know of a solvent for the epoxy/lacquer/varnish used in MOTs that won't damage the enamel on the magnet wire?

and finally, how can i remove tar residue from a large ballast i ripped apart?
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Inducktion
Thu May 26 2011, 11:02PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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The problem is the epoxy that's inside of a flyback is incredibly durable. Whatever solvent you'd use would destroy the diodes and capacitors inside of them along with the epoxy, as far as I know.
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Nah
Fri May 27 2011, 12:41AM
Nah Registered Member #3567 Joined: Mon Jan 03 2011, 10:49PM
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The cost of the chemical would make it unecomomical, so I think you would be better off buying real wire.

Also, MOT primary wire is made of al, which has more than 4/3 of copper's losses. It is also very hard to solder to unless a special flux is used.
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Forty
Fri May 27 2011, 01:52AM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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The mot primary wire i have is definitely copper. it must be from an older style oven. I have access to chemicals from two different universities, so i doubt i'l have to buy any.
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Backyard Skunkworks
Sun Jul 17 2011, 02:48AM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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You can try Butanone/MEK, but it will likely eat the enamel to some degree.

I think Dichloromethane would be worth a try, the most promising common solvent I know of.
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Bjørn
Sun Jul 17 2011, 05:13AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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Here are some ideas for epoxy: Link2
If you keep looking there are several more of those threads.
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Patrick
Sun Jul 17 2011, 06:31AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I dont think butanone/MEK would do much though, maybe im wrong though.

"Sodium Methoxide in solution of 18-crown-6 ether.", or so ive been told (supposedly) and try not to die.

I must agree with those who say your better off buying new caps and diodes....anything harsh enough to remove epoxy would also remove the diodes and caps form existence.
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IntraWinding
Mon Jul 18 2011, 02:02PM
IntraWinding Registered Member #2261 Joined: Mon Aug 03 2009, 01:19AM
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You can get some potted modules apart by heating them in an over to soften the potting compound. In my experience the heat also slowly hardens the compound further, so don't heat for longer than necessary. There might be health consequences tp heating chemicals in a food oven. I try to minimise these by running the oven at maximum heat for an hour after use. Apart from that second head growing out of my stomach, I seem to be ok...
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Adrenaline
Mon Jul 18 2011, 03:40PM
Adrenaline Registered Member #235 Joined: Wed Feb 22 2006, 04:59PM
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I ended up using a band-saw to cut through the windings next to the core. If you are reasonably careful you will have have a small layer of epoxy on the core that can then be peeled away.
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cbfull
Thu Oct 27 2011, 02:21PM
cbfull Registered Member #187 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:54PM
Location: Central Ohio
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I tried to "unpot" a large-ish flyback using hot N-Methylpyrrolidone about 6 or 7 years ago. I kept it in an oven in the lab at work for at least a week, and the epoxy swelled up and turned to a sort of gelatin. Even in this state I couldn't free the wound core without damaging it. It was a mess.

It seems we would pretty much have to contact a manufacturer (China most likely) and buy a bunch of wound cores before they get potted (wouldn't that be nice!)
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