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Coronafix
Mon Jun 19 2006, 03:40AM Print
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Has anyone done any testing using a static spark gap ander vacuum?
I'm just wondering what the pros and cons of this would be.
Seems that it would be fairly simple to build one.
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Madgyver
Mon Jun 19 2006, 06:08AM
Madgyver Registered Member #177 Joined: Wed Feb 15 2006, 02:16PM
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Is it? Unless you have good vacuum 'source' at hand that will prove difficult. Just pumping out lots of air an leaving behind a lot pressure gas, won't make a good spark gap.

Even if you could, x-rays could be a major issue here.
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ragnar
Mon Jun 19 2006, 07:32AM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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X-rays? Pshhh... what's new? ^^

You'd need a real 'high' vacuum... how about a sulfur-hexaflouride filled relay / sealed contactor box instead? :)
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Coronafix
Mon Jun 19 2006, 10:13AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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What about using an old fridge compressor, or two? That would get a decent vacuum.
A lead box over the vacuum would stop the x-rays.
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SpyrosF
Mon Jun 19 2006, 10:28AM
SpyrosF Registered Member #352 Joined: Tue Mar 28 2006, 08:39AM
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Vacuum is not conductive, except of course thermionic emissions.
look here -> Link2
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Dr. Shark
Mon Jun 19 2006, 12:01PM
Dr. Shark Registered Member #75 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:30AM
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Nope, an old fridge compressor would be _very_ far from sufficient. Even a $2000 two-stage rotary vane pump hardly gets you down to "real" vacuum where you begin to get x-rays, for a serious hard vacuum you need a two stage vacuum system with a turbomolecular (figure $5000) or similar pump. You will run into lots of issues with contamination, and you will have to bake the system (oven, another couple of k$) while pumping it down. Expect to spend several $1000 even if you buy used or make your own equipment.

That being said, vacuum gaps make excellent HV switches, and I have come aross them several times in a railgun context. Similar to big thyratrons they can switch 100s of kA and are very fast. I don't quite know how they work, but I expect some of the metal from the electrodes evaporates to produce a conductive plasma.
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Coronafix
Tue Jun 20 2006, 02:28AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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SpyrosF wrote ...

Vacuum is not conductive, except of course thermionic emissions.

We are talking electron transfer, and I'm not wanting to produce x-rays anyway, just improve the efficiency of the static spark gap.
Maybe I should have asked the question..."Has anyone used a static gap under a partial vacuum and if so, are there any noticable benefits?"
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Michael W.
Tue Jun 20 2006, 04:03AM
Michael W. Registered Member #50 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:07AM
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Heres a small one for sale on ebay
Link2
Its sort of expensive...
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Coronafix
Tue Jun 20 2006, 05:30AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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now thats what i'm talking about!!
that one looks adjustable, but I don't know how that would work and keep a good seal.
I read somewhere of someone getting 50% effeciency, but no details were mentioned.
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SpyrosF
Tue Jun 20 2006, 05:45AM
SpyrosF Registered Member #352 Joined: Tue Mar 28 2006, 08:39AM
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We are talking electron transfer, and I'm not wanting to produce x-rays anyway, just improve the efficiency of the static spark gap.

Try a pressurized spark gap, it's able to handling higher currents and has faster switching,
better timings, lower losses and lower jitter.

Take a look at this links:

Link2
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