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Micha0_0
Sun Apr 17 2011, 04:39PM Print
Micha0_0 Registered Member #2990 Joined: Mon Jul 12 2010, 11:22AM
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Hay guys ...

I have a question...

yesterday i made a powersource for my small cap bank
it's a 7500µF 200V bank

my powersource :
240V line to a bridge rectifier ( 4x 1N4007 doides// 1A at 1000V)
in series to a 15k resistor for loading my cap bank

first try ...
i loaded the bank and it works pretty well

but now it doesn't do anything ...i thought the diodes are broken so i changed them to bigger 1N5402 (3A at 200v)
but it doesnt work anymore


what could be wrong there ?

sorry for my bad english ...i'm from germany :D
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Zum Beispiel
Sun Apr 17 2011, 06:29PM
Zum Beispiel Registered Member #514 Joined: Sun Feb 11 2007, 12:27AM
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What kind of resistor did you use? A 15k resistor will be passing around 15mA of current (when the capacitors are empty), which translates to around 3.5W power loss in the resistor. This is more than enough to fry a low wattage resistor. Perhaps it has gone open circuit?

Edit: Also, your caps are 200V, but your powersupply is capable of charging them up to 330V. Since the capacitors are electrolytic this would be very bad (=a high chance of explosion). Overvolting them even slightly will damage them. Could this have happened?

Since your charging resistor is so high in value, as are the capacitors, the time constant is very long. I suggest monitoring the bank's voltage with a DMM and disconnecting the charger before it reaches 200V, if you haven't been doing this already.
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Micha0_0
Sun Apr 17 2011, 08:15PM
Micha0_0 Registered Member #2990 Joined: Mon Jul 12 2010, 11:22AM
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thx for your reply ...


i used a big 7Watt resistor ...it shouldn'n break
after that i changed this one into a 10k with 5watt ...and it dign't work too ....

yes my caps are electrolytic caps from old computer power supplies. yes i know i would overcharge them ..so i have a analog voltmeter includesd in my power source and i cut the voltage if it reached 200v.

no i didn't overcharge them , cause i switched the supply at 200v off .

the caps are working great, no exploded one.

at my first try ...i think it needed about 3-5 sec to load them ...and i did NOTHING... but then nothing works


i really don't know what to do , cause i checked everything

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big5824
Sun Apr 17 2011, 09:34PM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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a 15K resistor with 7500uF caps yields an RC constant of nearly two minutes, so there is no way your bank could have charged in 5 seconds, as you generally need at least 3-5 timeconstants for a capacitor to pretty much fully charge. My point is there must be some aspect of this that you have originally measured wrong, or perhaps the capacitors have been broken from the start.
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Ash Small
Sun Apr 17 2011, 10:00PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Just an idea, and I'm guessing, but no-one has suggested anything better yet..... How did you discharge the caps after the first charge?

If you just shorted them would the high current have damaged them?

Have you checked their capacitance using a DMM?
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Micha0_0
Mon Apr 18 2011, 10:31AM
Micha0_0 Registered Member #2990 Joined: Mon Jul 12 2010, 11:22AM
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at my first try i shorted them with a piece of aluminum foil
but i don't think they are damaged .

i try it with my other bank ...maybe the caps are really broken :/
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Ash Small
Mon Apr 18 2011, 11:44AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Micha0_0 wrote ...

at my first try i shorted them with a piece of aluminum foil
but i don't think they are damaged .

i try it with my other bank ...maybe the caps are really broken :/


Assuming they are connected in parallel, it would only take one to be short-circuited for the bank to fail to charge.

If you don't have a DMM to measure capacitance or resistance, maybe you could try a simple continuity test?
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Micha0_0
Mon Apr 18 2011, 12:35PM
Micha0_0 Registered Member #2990 Joined: Mon Jul 12 2010, 11:22AM
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oh my god -.-

now i'm really depressed ... i searched about 6hours to get the fail ... now i have it ... my multimeter was broken and shorted the bank ...so i couldn't load it

now i changed the 10k resistor to a 2k ...the loading time is really long with the 10k one ...
the new one is 1/2 watt and it gets hot while charging...but it doesn't burn .

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