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Marx generator keeps screwing up my power supply

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Dosinski
Sat Apr 16 2011, 10:51PM Print
Dosinski Registered Member #2680 Joined: Wed Feb 10 2010, 09:23PM
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I built a simple marx generator that produces less than 100kV. Every time the marx generator fires (or misfires), the LCD displays displays nonsense numbers. I tried to increase the distance(to 1.5 meters) between the marx generator and the power supply and that made no difference. I put a TVS diode and a 0.1uF cap in parallel with the marx generator and the power supply, and also an inductor in series, but this made no difference. Is there anyway to fix this problem?
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Nah
Sat Apr 16 2011, 11:11PM
Nah Registered Member #3567 Joined: Mon Jan 03 2011, 10:49PM
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Try using a farday cage or an analog meter
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Patrick
Sat Apr 16 2011, 11:39PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Marxist (and Communists) tend to be harsh on digital meters with e-fields and M-fields. Yes I agree youll need a faraday cage out of screen-door screen or something similar. Remember its radiating these fields of interference everytime it strikes, so the usuall tricks for conduction interference dont work so well, TVS's, Caps. (at least with out the faraday cage)
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Dosinski
Sun Apr 17 2011, 02:19AM
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I never built a faraday cage before. Should the cage be grounded to the ground clip of the power supply or to earth ground? How small should the hole/mesh size be? What's the ballpark frequency of the radiation emitted?
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ScotchTapeLord
Sun Apr 17 2011, 02:31AM
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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Dosinski wrote ...

I never built a faraday cage before. Should the cage be grounded to the ground clip of the power supply or to earth ground?

They should be the same... And if they aren't, I'd see to it that they are.

Dosinski wrote ...

How small should the hole/mesh size be?

Ideally you could just use a metal box or cover the enclosure with aluminum tape or foil to be safe.

Dosinski wrote ...

What's the ballpark frequency of the radiation emitted?

High. Your resonant circuit is composed of the series sum of your capacitors' capacitance and the stray inductance of your wiring and that of the spark gaps. So, high and not easily measured.
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Arcstarter
Sun Apr 17 2011, 05:33AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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ScotchTapeLord wrote ...


Dosinski wrote ...

What's the ballpark frequency of the radiation emitted?
High. Your resonant circuit is composed of the series sum of your capacitors' capacitance and the stray inductance of your wiring and that of the spark gaps. So, high and not easily measured.
Well it seems like the frequency wouldn't be too high to be measured by a DSO. Even an old 25MHz analog scope can measure a HF vttc which the resonator is much less than 10pf and 20 turns of wire. Im sure the inductance of his wiring and the capacitors would equal a few windings and the capacitance is likely to be over 100pf. But still, the voltage would make it hard to measure tongue

Regardless, that would place the frequency in the MHz which sure would radiate plenty of energy.
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ScotchTapeLord
Sun Apr 17 2011, 05:41AM
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Well, I was factoring in the EMP when I said it wouldn't be easily measured... Perhaps with an antenna at a distance it could be done easily.
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Patrick
Sun Apr 17 2011, 06:30AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I would predict a broadband emission of all kinds of crap, with a few well developed peaks.
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Conundrum
Sun Apr 17 2011, 01:18PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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I had a similar problem once with a calculator which failed when "flashed" from across a room with a commercial high power flash unit.
This same unit would actually blister black plastic and disks at a range of 1cm (!) to the point that smoke was emitted.

Appears that the light hitting the inadequately shielded chip may have been responsible, as shielding it with cardboard removed the effect.
-A
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