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Conundrum
Sat Feb 12 2011, 11:56AM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.
Looks like I might be onto something here.

Bought a used ultrasonic cleaner for £5 here.
Just occcurred to me to try putting some silver gilding foil in there to see if it shreds it like aluminium,
Yes, it does smile

So in theory this method could be used to generate very small silver particles down to the micrometre range, which should behave essentially the same as silver conductive paint when mixed with a suitable binder such s Humbrol Liquid Poly or tyre repair cement.

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-A
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Feb 12 2011, 03:59PM
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I know that for ultrasonic mixing the particle sizes are rather large with these kind of transducers, it's on the order of the wavelength ...

Ultrasonic atomizers/humidifiers/fog generators work better in this respect, since they operate in the MHz range.
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Steve Conner
Sat Feb 12 2011, 04:40PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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So try making some conductive paint and get back to us with those results you promised.
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quicksilver
Tue Feb 15 2011, 04:49PM
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Do you realistically think you can make a micro particulate? Because what you would need (for dependable contact)) is something in the 2-9 micron range. From what I have seen with conductive paint there have been particulates of aluminum or nickel. Since nickle powder is now much harder to obtain and aluminum powder, much easier; most are aluminum in a single micron size range with an acrylic used as thin as possible to maintain contact.
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JCM
Thu Mar 03 2011, 01:28PM
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Would the aluminium atomised powder in acrylic binder leave a conductive surface after it dries? If so, this would be good for painting non conductive a matrix/mandrel for electroforming copper.
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Conundrum
Thu Mar 10 2011, 07:55PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

I know that for ultrasonic mixing the particle sizes are rather large with these kind of transducers, it's on the order of the wavelength ...

Ultrasonic atomizers/humidifiers/fog generators work better in this respect, since they operate in the MHz range.

Will have to try this and get back to you.

I have a fog generator here which unfortunately got Shapelocked into the bottom of a plastic beaker which then leaked.
Any ideas?
If all else fails I might be able to replace the transducer with a spare.

The basic circuit seems simple enough, just a resonant tank at 1.4 MHz or near that depending on the size of the transducer.
Resonant frequency changed depending on fluid depth so a single transistor oscillator based on a beefy RF power transistor might work better than an H-bridge.

Anyone managed to find out how fast the MPSA42 switches?

-A

"Both.. (cough) (splutter) er!" said Pooh, as his car expired due to fuel blockage...
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Adam Munich
Fri Mar 11 2011, 12:09AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Ever stick your finger in one of those ultrasonic fog makers?

Also: $3 Link2
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Ash Small
Fri Mar 11 2011, 06:27PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

."Both.. (cough) (splutter) er!" said Pooh, as his car expired due to fuel blockage...

Easiest 'quick'fix' is to use one of those small 12V compressors wihich run off a cigar lighter with the tapered attachment they come with to blow the blockage back into the fuel tank. Just disconnect the feed to the injector pump or carb.

This is what the AA do.
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Conundrum
Sun Mar 20 2011, 02:52PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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thanks for the tip! smile

I think this is another example of why you should never let cars get below 15% fuel or this can happen.

re, paint i will have to try it and get back to you.

-A
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Adam Munich
Fri Apr 22 2011, 06:38AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Steve McConner wrote ...

So try making some conductive paint and get back to us with those results you promised.


This!
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