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Arcstarter
Tue Dec 02 2008, 05:36AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
Location: Beaumont, Texas, USA
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I am currently making a highish speed arsg. Well, i made it, with a vacuum cleaner motor(don't worry, im not that stupid, only 12 volts in) and a disk from a chopping board, cut with a hole saw(not sure what size, about 3 inches). It had only 2 electrodes, i will change the electrodes when/if i need. Well, i ran it for awhile with a face shield on with ac. Then i changed to dc fullwave rectified and it ran fine. I then filtered it and it ran for awhile and then the disk broke. It was loud.... Luckily i was wearing a face shield, and i was behind the rsg so i didn't get hit in the family jewels or anything like that. When it broke, it just happened to hit the small circuit board on the top of my transformer, and knock the 120 volt in off!!! So the transformer shut down of course, and after about a minute of staring at the transformer, i found the rotating electrode.

Well, i am basically looking for a cheap, strong(!!!), readily available rsg disk. I believe it was because the chopping board was so thin, so i might just buy a thicker chopping board. Just tell me what you think.
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coillah
Tue Dec 02 2008, 07:12AM
coillah Registered Member #1517 Joined: Wed Jun 04 2008, 06:55AM
Location: Chico CA
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why not just use the Terry Blake Propeller style?
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Arcstarter
Tue Dec 02 2008, 08:20PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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coillah wrote ...

why not just use the Terry Blake Propeller style?
Well, i want to use this vacuum cleaner motor :P I do not trust the propeller type with a motor of this rpm. Also, i don't have the tools or plastic for the 'hub'. I have everything for a disk type, cept for the disk dead. I am going to have to look for something, the only suitable chopping board i found at wal-mart cost 12 bucks, not gonna pay that much(I am very frugal, and i have no money :P). I'll find something, but i want to know something about something first neutral.
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Finn Hammer
Tue Dec 02 2008, 08:25PM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
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I`d recommend you get some pcb material, it being FR4 -> G10 strong fiberglass epoxy.

For an 8inch disk, a couple layers ought to suffice.

Etch off the copper, except the outher ring, if you desire.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Dago
Tue Dec 02 2008, 11:19PM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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Arcstarter wrote ...

coillah wrote ...

why not just use the Terry Blake Propeller style?
Well, i want to use this vacuum cleaner motor :P I do not trust the propeller type with a motor of this rpm. Also, i don't have the tools or plastic for the 'hub'. I have everything for a disk type, cept for the disk dead. I am going to have to look for something, the only suitable chopping board i found at wal-mart cost 12 bucks, not gonna pay that much(I am very frugal, and i have no money :P). I'll find something, but i want to know something about something first neutral.

Well the propeller type should be alot safer due to the lower amount of kinetic energy stored in the rotating part.
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coillah
Thu Dec 04 2008, 04:27AM
coillah Registered Member #1517 Joined: Wed Jun 04 2008, 06:55AM
Location: Chico CA
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Dago, its true, but before we launch into another debate, let me just link everyone to terry's page where he calculated the kinetic energy of an electrode that slips loose:

Link2
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coillah
Thu Dec 04 2008, 04:28AM
coillah Registered Member #1517 Joined: Wed Jun 04 2008, 06:55AM
Location: Chico CA
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of course it does say at the top that they are not safe, but a quick enclosure and some safety collars make them excellent choices for SG design.
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