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flannelhead
Wed Apr 16 2008, 04:32PM Print
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
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I'm building a small wire exploder/energy pulser which will probably be used for coilguns and railguns too. I've got a 300v 480uF cap bank. That makes ~25J.

I would like to know if there are some inexpensive and common SCRs for this kind of application. With wire exploders and RGs the pulse current will be quite high. Should I consider paralleling some of them?
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Backyard Skunkworks
Wed Apr 16 2008, 05:51PM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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spark wrote ...

With wire exploders and RGs the pulse current will be quite high.

The current spike is gonna be massive as wire exploding is basically a flat short. TYN640RGs run $1.80 if you buy 10 from mouser and they can take 400A peak @600V, I used these for my coilgun. Link2
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Dr. Shark
Wed Apr 16 2008, 06:58PM
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The capacitor you have probably has an internal resistance of around 300mOhm, so you are looking at currents of less than 1kA. Even a small TO220 SCR should be capable of coping with that, i.e. any basic SCR from a light dimmer or so would do.
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ramses
Thu Apr 17 2008, 12:25AM
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I think that'd be less than 300mOhm. more like 100mOhm.

so 3KA i would do it mechanically, just because the close time is shorter. your still looking at 8 mSec, so it may not be spectacular.

make sure you have a bleed resistor, I once had 150 J left in a bank after a pancake coil blew up. I remember poking it with a screwdriver, trying to get it to discharge. unfortunately, I took off my ear protection.

Ramses

p.s.- this should be in the high voltage thread. you aren't accelerating anything with electromagnetism, are you? I
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Backyard Skunkworks
Thu Apr 17 2008, 12:57AM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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ramses wrote ...

p.s.- this should be in the high voltage thread. you aren't accelerating anything with electromagnetism, are you?
spark wrote ...

I'm building a small wire exploder/energy pulser which will probably be used for coilguns and railguns too.
Yeah it's an easy mistake, but this is in the correct place.

BTW I always overbuild anything by a good 50% whenever there is the chance of an unwanted explosion.
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Barry
Thu Apr 17 2008, 04:52AM
Barry Registered Member #90 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:44PM
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Backyard Skunkworks wrote ...

I always overbuild anything by a good 50% whenever there is the chance of an unwanted explosion.

so ... when it does finally explode ... you get a 50% bigger explosion? cool! cheesey
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flannelhead
Thu Apr 17 2008, 06:10AM
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
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Are SCRs usually used in wire exploders and RGs? Or are these using mechanical switches?
EDIT: I'm using 4 photoflash caps in parallel.
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Dr. Shark
Thu Apr 17 2008, 11:40AM
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"Usually" exploding wires is done with a much higher voltage, so no, SCRs are not used on those. Since I don't think there are any "usual" railguns, I don't have an answer for that question.

For the capacitor bank YOU have at hand however, a SCR is the fastest, safest and best solution.
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flannelhead
Thu Apr 17 2008, 12:36PM
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
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Thanks. Here's a picture of a wire exploded with that cap bank and a mechanical toggle switch. The switch died just after doing this. The "wire" was one strand of multistrand wire.
1208435740 952 FT43632 Poks

As you see, even with this low energy and voltage, wire explodes quite happily smile
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flannelhead
Sat Apr 19 2008, 06:08PM
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
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I finished it now cheesey

Sorry Uzzors, copied you plexi design tongue
I didn't bother to mess with SCRs yet, I kept it simple with just a mechanical key switch. It's very portable and as a coilgun it shoots quite nicely through paper smile

1208628479 952 FT43632 Energy Pulser
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