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Does anybody know if Tesla is credited with inventing the high voltage fence concept? Certainly he's the recognized innovator of HV, but I'm wondering if he is known to have protected his Colorado laboratory by HV fencing as depicted in the newly released DVD titled "The PRESTIGE". Tesla should get more credit than he has (in my opinion), but I'm curious if anyone knows of any historical data that supports that he used HV fencing to protect his labs as show in the DVD, or that his Colorado lab was burned down to force him out of town, also depicted in the DVD or if this is simply Hollywood generated drama to make the DVD more entertaining. See clips here CM
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There is no mention of either an electric fence or a fire destroying Tesla's lab in the Colorado Springs Notes. He was never run out of town that we know of either. He did manage to burn down another lab in Houston Street in New York, I think.
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Now I wasn't able to read the whole book because I was browsing the library, but I came across a book that I think was "Man out of Time". And the fire I know he started was at the generation plant. He was over-drawing a generator during an experiment and caused one of the generators to 'melt down'. If you want to get more information I would suggest checking out the book.
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Tesla wrote ... it is certain that, nowadays, negative forces have become of greater importance. Among these there is one of far greater moment than any other. It is called organized warfare. When we consider the millions of individuals, often the ablest in mind and body, the flower of humanity, who are compelled to a life of inactivity and unproductiveness, the immense sums of money daily required for the maintenance of armies and war apparatus, representing ever so much of human energy, all the effort uselessly spent in the production of arms and implements of destruction, the loss of life and the fostering of a barbarous spirit, we are appalled at the inestimable loss to mankind which the existence of these deplorable conditions must involve. What can we do to combat best this great evil?
from "The Problem Of Increasing Human Energy" Besides, Tesla's weapons were so impractical that they would put an end to war pretty quickly, once you tried using them and got beaten. Even so, though, there's nothing to stop you being both a pacifist and a designer of apocalyptic super-weapons. Read about Einstein's involvement with the atom bomb, or Alfred Nobel's stable high explosives.
BTW, to the best of our knowledge, that generator was destroyed by high frequency kickbacks.
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> And the fire I know he started was at the generation plant. He was over-drawing a generator during an experiment and caused one of the generators to 'melt down'.
Generators on fire? I had an odd thought. See below. Pure speculation of course. Very cool if it's true...
In Colorado, Tesla had been using big x-ray tubes to convert his TC's discharges into a long narrow "rays" of lightning. The x-rays ionize the air, straightening out the discharge and probably making it silent, dim, and much longer. If aimed at a distant tesla coil of the same frequency, it acts like a power line. Nobody knows what distance it might work across. Yards? Miles? With electron-runaway effect kicking in at above 1MV, it might have been miles. Which was probably Tesla's reason for moving out into isolated farmlands.
It occurred to me to wonder, what would happen if he aimed his "power line" experimental generator upwards? The conductive path might intercept energy from the natural sky voltage. Well, since the x-ray tube is automatically a rectifier, and it only puts out x-rays on each half cycle, it would turn the conductive beam on and off at the frequency of the tesla coil. Which would both act like a huge vertical antenna, but also chop any received DC. It would convert the naturally occuring "vertical sky current" into AC pulses like a Thyratron oscillator (a gigantic NE-2 oscillator. Sort of.) Which would then *drive* the tesla coil secondary, feeding in a low current but at very high voltage. And the secondary would keep that x-ray tube running. The tesla coil becomes and energy source by chopping the sky-voltage at high frequency and then applying it to a resonant tank circuit. And if the received energy was great enough, the tesla coil would start running by itself, even if the primary circuit was shut down. The tesla coil voltage might rise to a different value, since it's not being run by a power plant anymore. The main power switch has no effect. To stop it, the secondary coil's ground would have to be disconnected. It might even pump far more RF back into the power lines than it otherwise would, arcing across the big power switches, burning out any filters, and obviously might run for many minutes before finally being stopped (perhaps with a hatchet.)
I knew about Tesla's xray powerline experiment. Burning generators at the power company? The above idea assembled itself in my head, all at once. Holy crap. But if Tesla had this happen, had discovered that large Tesla coils could be an energy source, he'd have written it down, right? Carefully explained it? Or just kept it safe in his head for the rest of his life? What would YOU have done?
Tesla laboratory fires, indeed!
TESLA W/POSSIBLE TC-MOUNTED XRAY TUBE IN THE BACKGROUND
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Where did the electricity go? CIA has SILENCED TESLA, maybe POSSIBLE CONNECTION to AREA 51... heiroglyphics, egyptian contribution...? Xray powerlines... earth's crust!
Energy from... natural sky voltage **gasp**
Get outta here! If I were a moderator, I'd probably be busy kicking* your arse. Unless you fully explain the following statements, I'm going to go ahead and tar and feather it anyway.
#1 ...Tesla had been using big x-ray tubes... #2 ...The x-rays ionize the air, straightening out the discharge and probably making it silent, dim, and much longer... #3 ...If aimed at a distant tesla coil of the same frequency, it acts like a power line... #4 ...Nobody knows what distance it might work across... #5 ...With electron-runaway effect kicking in... #6 ...The conductive path might intercept energy from the natural sky voltage... #7 ...it would turn the conductive beam on and off at the frequency of the tesla coil... (referring specifically to 'the conductive beam', here. #8 ...act like a huge vertical antenna, but also chop any received DC... #9 ...would then *drive* the tesla coil secondary... #10 ...And the secondary would keep that x-ray tube running... #11 ...The tesla coil becomes and energy source... #12 ...by chopping the sky-voltage at high frequency and then applying it to a resonant tank circuit... #13 ...the tesla coil would start running by itself... #14 ...The tesla coil voltage might rise to a different value, since it's not being run by a power plant anymore... #15 ...To stop it, the secondary coil's ground would have to be disconnected... #16 ...I knew about Tesla's xray powerline experiment... #17 ...Burning generators at the power company... (referring specifically to what ACTUALLY caused the generators to fail, not being overcurrent)
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This is going to open up a can of worms here, but I really don't think they could have managed to make suitable x-ray tubes in the 1890's. My reason being that the best pumps they had at this time were Topler pumps, a mercury vacuum pump which used displacement to achieve the vacuum. Edison had similar problems achieving a high vacuum for his experiments with light bulbs. Then Gettering is the second-fold problem. A vacuum device is a very complicated device requiring carefully controlled contamination in the envelope, and I just don't really see that happening in the 1890's. I have a book on the subject by Fred Rosebury, and you can check that out if you can find it (its been out of print for some time now). Crooke's tubes, yea okay fine, those are low power devices, but high power, I dunno, I think they would probably overheat very quickly if not explode.
I haven't read anything about low pressure mercury vapor rectifiers in Tesla's notes either, although he was playing with a lot of evacuated high frequency discharge lamps, so I'm not really how far this goes.
Vapor rectifier...possibly High power x-ray tubes, I think that's probably a bit on the far-fetched side.
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BlackPlasma wrote ...
Where did the electricity go? CIA has SILENCED TESLA, maybe POSSIBLE CONNECTION to AREA 51... heiroglyphics, egyptian contribution...? Xray powerlines... earth's crust!
Energy from... natural sky voltage **gasp**
Get outta here! If I were a moderator, I'd probably be busy kicking* your arse. Unless you fully explain the following statements, I'm going to go ahead and tar and feather it anyway.
#1 ...Tesla had been using big x-ray tubes... #2 ...The x-rays ionize the air, straightening out the discharge and probably making it silent, dim, and much longer... #3 ...If aimed at a distant tesla coil of the same frequency, it acts like a power line... #4 ...Nobody knows what distance it might work across... #5 ...With electron-runaway effect kicking in... #6 ...The conductive path might intercept energy from the natural sky voltage... #7 ...it would turn the conductive beam on and off at the frequency of the tesla coil... (referring specifically to 'the conductive beam', here. #8 ...act like a huge vertical antenna, but also chop any received DC... #9 ...would then *drive* the tesla coil secondary... #10 ...And the secondary would keep that x-ray tube running... #11 ...The tesla coil becomes and energy source... #12 ...by chopping the sky-voltage at high frequency and then applying it to a resonant tank circuit... #13 ...the tesla coil would start running by itself... #14 ...The tesla coil voltage might rise to a different value, since it's not being run by a power plant anymore... #15 ...To stop it, the secondary coil's ground would have to be disconnected... #16 ...I knew about Tesla's xray powerline experiment... #17 ...Burning generators at the power company... (referring specifically to what ACTUALLY caused the generators to fail, not being overcurrent)
That will do.
*banning
Plasma, Christ relax lol. He's new to the forum, go easy on him. That paragraph lost me about 1/3 the way down though and does sound a a tad looney.
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Yeah, blackplasma, this isn't just any old tin foil hat freak, it's Bill Beatty! He practically invented the tin foil hat. Be nice to him.
Bill: As a moderator I have to warn you that 4hv.org is a nest of hardline skeptics. We see ourselves as crusaders against free energy and conspiracy theories. And as far as we know, the X-ray and ultraviolet stuff is all complete BS. I've personally read the Colorado Springs Notes several times, and there is no mention of any experiments with X-ray or UV directed discharges. To get an idea of how mean and joyless we are, you might like to read our wiki on pseudoscience and free energy
BTW, I don't buy the one about the "Other Secret Colorado Springs Notes"
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TESLA - HV fence protecting his property? His lab burned down?
Get outta here! If I were a moderator, I'd probably be busy kicking* your arse. Unless you fully explain the following statements, I'm going to go ahead and tar and feather it anyway.