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Is it a Good Thing, or a Bad Thing, that I Float my MOT's?

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ScottH
Sun Apr 16 2017, 03:57AM
ScottH Registered Member #61373 Joined: Sat Dec 17 2016, 01:45PM
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I have the cores of 2 MOT's connected electrically, and they work just as good without the cores being Earth grounded. The secondaries won't arc any current to the Earth when floating, just a small weak spark (maybe a few ma judging by the spark). I can generate the same large arcs from the HV hot to the core potential as I can when the MOT's are grounded.

When I have the cores grounded, I still get the same power output, but the current will flow to Earth. I have to stand on a rubber mat to be safe in this scenario.

Is it a good thing that I run the MOT's this way? Why is there a weak spark to Earth in the floating setup?
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Finn Hammer
Sun Apr 16 2017, 10:12AM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
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ScottH wrote ...

I have to stand on a rubber mat to be safe in this scenario.

Scott,

What is it you are trying to protect yourself from, by standing on that rubber mat?.

Cheers, Finn Hammer

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ScottH
Sun Apr 16 2017, 10:21AM
ScottH Registered Member #61373 Joined: Sat Dec 17 2016, 01:45PM
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Finn Hammer wrote ...

ScottH wrote ...

I have to stand on a rubber mat to be safe in this scenario.

Scott,

What is it you are trying to protect yourself from, by standing on that rubber mat?.

Cheers, Finn Hammer



Current potentially going through my "chicken stick", to me, then to ground. You never know what HV may do sometimes. Its to isolate me from the ground.
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Dr. Slack
Sun Apr 16 2017, 04:05PM
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The mains winding is fully insulated from the core, with probably a few 10s pf pF capacitance between mains winding and core. As a MOT is rated to be connected to mains, we already know that this insulation has survived tests at 1500V ac, and maybe more.

If the core is not grounded, there is still a path from core to 'groundy' wires like live and neutral, via this capacitance. 2.1kV across a few 10s of pF, even at the low frequency of a few 10s of Hz, is still likely to give a visible, if weedy, discharge to ground.
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ScottH
Mon Apr 17 2017, 01:22PM
ScottH Registered Member #61373 Joined: Sat Dec 17 2016, 01:45PM
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Dr. Slack wrote ...

The mains winding is fully insulated from the core, with probably a few 10s pf pF capacitance between mains winding and core. As a MOT is rated to be connected to mains, we already know that this insulation has survived tests at 1500V ac, and maybe more.

If the core is not grounded, there is still a path from core to 'groundy' wires like live and neutral, via this capacitance. 2.1kV across a few 10s of pF, even at the low frequency of a few 10s of Hz, is still likely to give a visible, if weedy, discharge to ground.

That is very interesting, I never thought about the coil having a capacitance to the core. Thanks for the info.
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