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Would it have achieved worldwide power transmission like he claimed?
It seems somewhat sketchy what Tesla's intentions actually were, I believe its original intent was for radio communication experiments.
Some sources say that after Marconi made the first wireless transmission, thats when Tesla changed his plans and wanted to do something better and transmit wireless power and supposedly thats why the funding was pulled for the project.
The other story I read was simply that the funding was pulled after Marconi bet Tesla to the first tarns-alantic wireless transmission.
Either way, I dont know how Marconi got all the credit for inventing wireless at the time, when Tesla had already built an RC controlled boat some years prior and Marconi used his patents.
Anyway, if the tower was completed, would it have acted like a giant tesla coil sending out huge arcs, or as i understand from different sources, that Tesla believed if arcs were produced that this meant it was running very inefficient, so if this was the case and his intentions for producing RF waves was the goal, is it possible that it was not a Tesla coil as we all seem to treat the tower as being?
Im very interested to follow the projects that some in Russia are looking at building a replica tower.
Do the plans still exist? Was there more details on its design that went to the grave with Tesla?
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There are so many interpretations of Tesla's work, I only trust his own writings. Patent 645576 is the best documentation I know of for his plan to transmit power through the air. I doubt it would have reached globally, and if it did, it would only be at high elevation. But locally, it may even work at ground level. The goal was true conduction, not RF waves.
Patent 787412 covers his ideas for standing waves in the earth, but I'm not sure if that was intended for power transmission or only signals. That's also the patent where he quotes a faster-than-light speed (pi/2 times speed of light), but it's just poor wording. The earth is round, so a wave traveling through the interior gets to the opposite pole in 2/pi the time it would take to go around the surface, hence "mean surface velocity" is faster than light, but 3D space velocity is just regular light speed.
From what I can tell, we're still running on a lot of 1880's era Tesla tech, which was the completion of his dream to hardness the power of Niagara Falls. But afterward, around 1891 (Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency) he started experimenting with short duration, high intensity current impulses, which allows transmitting power over a single wire. And at some point, he realized that the air or ground could be used as part of that wire. 1899-1900 in Colorado Springs, he built a prototype for the tower, and apparently it did what he wanted. I haven't read enough of Colorado Springs Notes to say for sure whether that's the air transmission, ground transmission, or both. But on page 61, July 4, 1899, he describes a thunderstorm where he first verified that standing waves are possible, and occur naturally.
AFAIK, Tesla never cared what Marconi was up to. The failure of the tower was most likely due to the social/political situation of the time. Roosevelt became president in 1901, and quickly went to work putting a stop to the rampant money grubbing of the big monopolies. Tesla was no good at managing money, and just depended on the big players like J.P. Morgan to keep funding his work. So when the money stopped flowing, there was nothing he could do but beg. And since his work was geared toward betterment of humanity rather than profit, Morgan wasn't having it. No big conspiracy, just a case of bad timing and bad financial planning.
But then again, some people worry about health effects of wifi and cell phone towers nowadays, so living in the field of a Tesla tower may have had some side effects that would make it unusable anyway (or least, people would blame all sorts of stuff on it). Still, I'd like to see someone build one and study it.
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Tesla's dream was to build his flying machine, which required wireless power. When the funding for Wardenclyffe was terminated, he apparently went mad, and befriended a pigeon.
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DekuTree64 wrote ...
There are so many interpretations of Tesla's work, I only trust his own writings. Patent 645576 is the best documentation I know of for his plan to transmit power through the air. I doubt it would have reached globally, and if it did, it would only be at high elevation. But locally, it may even work at ground level. The goal was true conduction, not RF waves.
Patent 787412 covers his ideas for standing waves in the earth, but I'm not sure if that was intended for power transmission or only signals. That's also the patent where he quotes a faster-than-light speed (pi/2 times speed of light), but it's just poor wording. The earth is round, so a wave traveling through the interior gets to the opposite pole in 2/pi the time it would take to go around the surface, hence "mean surface velocity" is faster than light, but 3D space velocity is just regular light speed.
From what I can tell, we're still running on a lot of 1880's era Tesla tech, which was the completion of his dream to hardness the power of Niagara Falls. But afterward, around 1891 (Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency) he started experimenting with short duration, high intensity current impulses, which allows transmitting power over a single wire. And at some point, he realized that the air or ground could be used as part of that wire. 1899-1900 in Colorado Springs, he built a prototype for the tower, and apparently it did what he wanted. I haven't read enough of Colorado Springs Notes to say for sure whether that's the air transmission, ground transmission, or both. But on page 61, July 4, 1899, he describes a thunderstorm where he first verified that standing waves are possible, and occur naturally.
AFAIK, Tesla never cared what Marconi was up to. The failure of the tower was most likely due to the social/political situation of the time. Roosevelt became president in 1901, and quickly went to work putting a stop to the rampant money grubbing of the big monopolies. Tesla was no good at managing money, and just depended on the big players like J.P. Morgan to keep funding his work. So when the money stopped flowing, there was nothing he could do but beg. And since his work was geared toward betterment of humanity rather than profit, Morgan wasn't having it. No big conspiracy, just a case of bad timing and bad financial planning.
But then again, some people worry about health effects of wifi and cell phone towers nowadays, so living in the field of a Tesla tower may have had some side effects that would make it unusable anyway (or least, people would blame all sorts of stuff on it). Still, I'd like to see someone build one and study it.
OK, this is very interesting indeed. It certainly looks like he was interested in wireless power transmission none the less. Ironically it seems that this idea has been gaining ground in recent years for charging cellphones etc.
I know he did lots of wireless power transmission experiments in Colorado Springs, and had made light bulbs light up some distance away, there is a photo ive seen of this that looked like a large tesla coil of the period with a lamp glowing at the base.
Wikipedia suggests the tower was originally intended for wireless transmission and that he intended to upgrade it for power transmission to compete with Marconi, I dont know how accurate this is.
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