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Luminescence of minerals by cathode rays

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Physikfan
Thu Nov 17 2016, 04:36PM
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The images show minerals in a Geissler tube connected to an induction coil.
Camera Lumix FZ20.


MineralG2400x253
Exposure time 1s
MineralG3400x251
Exposure time 1/50 s
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Proud Mary
Mon Nov 21 2016, 09:24PM
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So can these colour effects be ordered about by element with a spectrometer?
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Physikfan
Tue Nov 22 2016, 08:26AM
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Hi Proud Mary

The best way to analyze the minerals is to use

1. a mass spectrometer for the elements
2. x-ray diffraction for the structure
3. Raman scattering for additional information

Unfortunately I have no direct access to method 2, method 1 would destroy the tube,
also Raman is not easy.

In this case electron excited fluorescence of these minerals generates these nice colors.
I will post a picture of these minerals under daylight as well in the near future under UV light.

If it is possible I will also try to record the visible spectra of the fluorescence of the different minerals using a direct vision prism.

Regards

Physikfan
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Physikfan
Tue Nov 22 2016, 12:29PM
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Hi Proud Mary

The pictures show these minerals in a Geissler tube at daylight and at artificial light respectively.
Camera Lumix FZ20.


MineralG4400x365
MineralG6400x305
Daylight

MineralG5400x234
Connected to the induction coil at artificial light.

Have you seen the "butterfly in a Geissler tube"?


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Proud Mary
Tue Nov 22 2016, 06:56PM
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Very interesting. Thanks for showing us that.
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Physikfan
Thu Nov 24 2016, 01:34PM
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Hi Proud Mary

The images show these minerals in the Geissler tube with UV lighting.
Camera Lumix FZ20.

Mineral1UV400x262

Not all minerals, that exhibit electron excited fluorescence, show also fluorescence under ultraviolet light.
However, due to UV-glass absorption, only relatively long-wave UV rays can hit these minerals.
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Physikfan
Sat Nov 26 2016, 05:42PM
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Hi Proud Mary

The images show minerals in a Geissler tube (rotated by 180 ° against all previous pictures) with artificial light (LED) as well as in the dark.
The exposure time was the same for all shots, manual focus, camera Canon 40D, Telephoto lens with 250 mm focal length.

MineralsIIartL1400x211
With LED light with discharge, induction coil step 1.
MineralsIIartelectrons2400x212
With LED light with discharge, induction coil step 5.

MineralsIIFIlow1400x225
In the dark with discharge, induction coil step 1.
MineralsIIFIhigh5400x239
In the dark with discharge, induction coil step 5.

Hopefully, I will soon be able to obtain spectroscopic images with a transmission grating or a direct vision prism.

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