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Saw Roger when he came to LA, it was amazing, no encore, but it was amazing.
Not sure what the EU reference is about? Oppression is not a unique situation, it happens to all of us in many forms of control in everyday life, and it's getting to be more pervasive every day, as we are more divided and labeled into groups, if that's what the reference is about.
ha , today I recieved thru the post , Roger Waters , In the Flesh live , cd dvd set
we are all consumers within different boundaries / economic zones . force is used over people because its like herding cats if you let human beings live free and there is no economy that can function that way , therefore , force will be used continuously . once humans go ferral theres no reverse button ,why would free people want to restore the society structure
Romans built Hadrians wall to keep barbarians out , it was christianity that broke the scots ... oh crikey
I dont think anyone is going to bring down the Israeli wall , will we see a concert / movement to "bring down the wall" , musicians have contracts to jewish record labels....... we will see
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that's not about Greece you know... all that EU administration is nothing but corruption, lobby interests and money-money deals, and all ideals are chained in a cave for a ling time... sad but true, and it will not go better... I work for a related agency and can attest that nothing is done to make it truly better, only to make it look better while the parliament is filled with compromised interests...
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Whoops! That's what happens when you upset the proletariat and then create a protest vote over something important. It's on a scale of getting a divorce because your wife leaves the lid of the tube of toothpaste. Interesting times.
It was Churchill who said, shortly after winning WW2 'if we are to forge the United States of Europe, we must start now'.
I invite a comment from US historians. At some point after the founding 13 states created the proto US, the other states joined a few at a time, rather like Romania joining the EU recently and the debate about whether Turkey should join in the future. Did that go smoothly (I would imagine not!) ? Is it only because it happened 200 years ago and has shaken down since that political union with a common currency and local taxes works in the US?
I think the appalling Greek economy will bleed your British veins dry. You better jump out of the EU while you can.
Yes, it's costly. The EU has developed from a free trade union to a social union, where the better faring economies support the less developed ones. It's goals are ambitious: to stabilise young democracies by promoting their economies and exporting generally accepted rules of conduct. Payback is long term, stable trade relations and markets. That is a painfully slow process. In Germany, e.g., the former GDR has received hundreds of billions aid for now over a quarter of a century. They haven't caught up fully yet. The US have failed pretty much in Afghanistan (edit: meant Iraque). Wrt to the UK I can well understand impatience with this and also reluctance to believe that it will work at all.
If you prefer looking at the bottom line each quarter you might want to bail out.
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We were hearing "the sky is falling" constantly for months over here about the Greek economy and Merkel this and that... etc. So we really do not have an objective "gauge" of the situation over here, provided the economy had no impact on the EU, we have limited truthful information.
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