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Conundrum
Sat Apr 09 2016, 09:41AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi,
does anyone know how to get a CR2032 to output the full 225mAh specified in the datasheet?
The information found here suggests that 500uA drain max ensures long life.

This is for a car alarm keyfob which averages about one battery every 2.5 months!
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hen918
Sat Apr 09 2016, 10:13AM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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"Nominal capacity: 210mAh (on continuous discharge at 20℃ under 15kΩ load to
2.0V end-voltage"

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Dr. Slack
Sat Apr 09 2016, 12:24PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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Part of the problem might be the end point voltage they use for quoting capacity is 2.0v. My car key fob certainly misbehaves much below 2.9v.

I've just replaced the battery for the second time, I've had the car 12 years.
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Conundrum
Sun Apr 10 2016, 07:56AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Ha!
Wonder if its worth adding something that detects low battery and changes the LED color so that it at least unlocks the car?
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2Spoons
Mon Apr 11 2016, 01:37AM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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Thats one hungry keyfob. In mine the battery seems to last a couple of years or more. And its a slightly smaller cell too.
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Conundrum
Sat Jul 30 2016, 04:27AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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I've changed the (sticky) switches, will see if that helps.
Also the LED is an orange/blue one poached from a dead HP front panel so adding some sort of light activated blinker with a 100msec flash every 5 minutes when dark/dropped would be doable.
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Enceladus
Thu Feb 09 2017, 12:57AM
Enceladus Registered Member #61428 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2017, 12:39PM
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If the expense is crippling you and the hassle has you at your wits end maybe you could get creative. If the fob has enough free space inside you might try substituting your primary lithium cell for a secondary Li-ion or Li-Po. For all I know, there may even be Li-ion cells available that fit the CR2032 form factor. Typically, simple transmitter circuits not only tolerate slight overvoltage, but even perform a bit stronger. I'm pretty sure the nominal 3.7V won't croak you fob but a full cell can put out up to 4.2, which I am less certain about. You may want to try it with an orphan fob first. Or you could try to find a small solar cell to glue to the back so that you only have to use the battery when it's dark.

Wouldn't it be cool if fobs worked like RFID tags, by obtaining their power from the receiver? If you're a bit more ambitious it might be cool to try to engineer that.

Dollar stores usually have cheap batteries.

So to answer your question, I don't know. haha. Contact the manufacturer maybe.
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woodchuck
Thu Feb 09 2017, 04:25AM
woodchuck Registered Member #39190 Joined: Sat Oct 26 2013, 09:15AM
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If you can't solve the problem, at least I can offer this: IKEA sells 8-packs of CR2032 cells for < $2. One lasts two years in my Honda key fob.
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Enceladus
Thu Feb 09 2017, 05:05AM
Enceladus Registered Member #61428 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2017, 12:39PM
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Buy a new vehicle with a more efficient fob.
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