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Benjamin
Mon Nov 09 2015, 09:02PM Print
Benjamin Registered Member #54655 Joined: Thu Mar 19 2015, 05:56PM
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What if you used a midi controller to control the firing speed of the trigger system so that it can play different notes. Is this possible?
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nzoomed
Mon Nov 09 2015, 10:22PM
nzoomed Registered Member #54503 Joined: Sun Feb 22 2015, 10:35PM
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You would think it should be possible, i was wondering if this would be possible with a VTTC as well.
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Sigurthr
Mon Nov 09 2015, 11:41PM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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There's almost no point for VTTC since you can run them CW and even just Class-A modulate the output.

Yes you can use triggered gaps and modulate the trigger rates, but fast enough quenching tends to be a problem as most triggers stay latched until current drops, limiting how short pulses can be.
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Benjamin
Mon Nov 09 2015, 11:52PM
Benjamin Registered Member #54655 Joined: Thu Mar 19 2015, 05:56PM
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How come nobody has done this? It seems like it is a very simple way to build a musical coil. Also, would it be able to play two notes at once?
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Sigurthr
Tue Nov 10 2015, 01:20AM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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Triggered SGTC? Many people have done it, but afaik the quench rate doesn't allow real music, just perhaps a few bass notes to be played.

If you mean the CW Hi-Fi modulations... lots and lots of people have done it. You just haven't seen it! CW coils get very little love since they don't make long sparks.

CW coils can play white noise if you so wish, the polyphonic limit is the modulation bandwidth of the resonator. I don't do VTTC versions myself as the equipment is far more expensive for me to import than the locally available silicon alternatives, but I've got many videos of my coils playing (non-midi) music. This is OT as far as the title of the thread goes though.

The question is more if a SIDAC TC could be or has been modulated to play simple midi-style music. That I know of, no one has tried it, but SIDAC coils were only in favor for a short period of time and were exceptionally complex in construction compared to alternatives. Their main feature being solely that there is no loud spark gap, but you get SGTC-like results.
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Benjamin
Tue Nov 10 2015, 03:45AM
Benjamin Registered Member #54655 Joined: Thu Mar 19 2015, 05:56PM
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Are you saying that triggered gaps can't do high break rates?
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Sigurthr
Tue Nov 10 2015, 11:23PM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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Depending on your definition of "high" yes, because you can't control precisely when they quench. You can set the gap to a large voltage, and increase trigger voltage to allow shorter on state durations, but the wider the gap the more convection will affect the arc, the more energy wasted in the gap, and the less reliably the gap will fire. There are vacuum tube triggered gaps with high firing rates, but ablation will be a problem as well as peak power, and finding ones which quench fast enough is difficult.

Either way you won't replicate the midi music performance of a DRSSTC, if that's what you're after.
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Hydron
Tue Nov 10 2015, 11:47PM
Hydron Registered Member #30656 Joined: Tue Jul 30 2013, 02:40AM
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Sigurthr wrote ...

The question is more if a SIDAC TC could be or has been modulated to play simple midi-style music. That I know of, no one has tried it, but SIDAC coils were only in favor for a short period of time and were exceptionally complex in construction compared to alternatives. Their main feature being solely that there is no loud spark gap, but you get SGTC-like results.
see: Link2
and the 4hv thread: Link2
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Benjamin
Wed Nov 11 2015, 01:15AM
Benjamin Registered Member #54655 Joined: Thu Mar 19 2015, 05:56PM
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As cool as they are,I'm not talking about SIDAC TC's. If there is any way to build a musical coil with a triggered spark gap, I want to try it. Because musical coils are awesome and I haven't had much luck with solid state stuff. It's fine if I'm limited to lower notes.
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Mads Barnkob
Wed Nov 11 2015, 07:26AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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Benjamin wrote ...

As cool as they are,I'm not talking about SIDAC TC's. If there is any way to build a musical coil with a triggered spark gap, I want to try it. Because musical coils are awesome and I haven't had much luck with solid state stuff. It's fine if I'm limited to lower notes.

I would imagine that a RSG with a fairly large servo motor could do the trick, quickly switching speeds up and down for playing notes, that might even get the sound close to a DRSSTC.
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