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Slava
Fri Aug 28 2015, 09:48PM Print
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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Hey everyone! I just 3D CAD'ed a salt water capacitor (Google Sketchup 2015). I have not printed it or tested it yet. I will do that next week when the 3D LAB opens.

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Slava
Fri Aug 28 2015, 10:17PM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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Slava
Sat Aug 29 2015, 02:24AM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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The ones I designed before were too large for a 3D printer. Here is one optimized for a 8" x 8" x 8" printer...

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klugesmith
Sat Aug 29 2015, 04:06AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Very cool looking. Thank you for sharing.

ESR might be an issue with plates made of salt water.

Do you have any estimates for the dielectric parameters of a 3-D-printed wall?
Effective thickness, dielectric constant, breakdown voltage, etc.

You could measure those parameters with a single rectangular wall, which would be much faster and cheaper to print.
That would also be the fast way to compare different printable resins (called filaments, right?).


Can you invert the design, so that solid matter and empty space trade places?
Then 3-D print the two sets of plates, using electrically conductive filament material (lower rho than salt water), and use oil as the dielectric. smile

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hen918
Sat Aug 29 2015, 01:02PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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Fused filament 3d prints are usually permeable, as I found out when printing a coffee mug which can only be used as a pen pot due to the fact that any liquid content seeps out.
This problem might be resolved in the laser type printing or by getting the printer to extrude more filament.
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Antonio
Sat Aug 29 2015, 01:24PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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I agree that very probably the plates will leak and the capacitor will be a short circuit. Maybe you can adjust the density of the material to avoid leaks, depending on the printing technology. The idea of using conductive filament may work. I have tried to make something similar, but so far all the printings failed. The parts perpendicular to the lateral walls need supporting structures.
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Slava
Sat Aug 29 2015, 05:17PM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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I redesigned it with 3mm space for fluid and 3mm thick walls.
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Slava
Sat Aug 29 2015, 05:51PM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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BTW... I'm using an industrial grade 3D printer with super high resolution. I don't think water will go through the 3mm thick wall. I'm worried about internal arcing though...

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Slava
Sat Aug 29 2015, 09:31PM
Slava Registered Member #518 Joined: Tue Feb 13 2007, 05:20AM
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Does anyone know where I can do cheap high quality 3D printing? The build space must be 7" x 7" x 7" or larger.

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Dr. Slack
Sun Aug 30 2015, 06:39AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
Location: UK St. Albans
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Slava wrote ...

Does anyone know where I can do cheap high quality 3D printing? The build space must be 7" x 7" x 7" or larger.

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a) cheap
b) high quality

Pick any one out of two!
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