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Very dissapointed in MOT Tesla coil.

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Patric
Wed Apr 01 2015, 08:19PM Print
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
Location: Deinze, Belgium
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I expected a rather long discharge but it is only 10 cm long (4 inch). Capacitor 25 nF, 4 mots, 2 on 2 in series (5000 V nett). See the photo's:

1427919361 2899 FT0 Tes0

1427919361 2899 FT0 Tes1


The secondary has 650 windings on 11 cm (4inch) diameter and a globe of 25 cm (10 inch) diameter.

It is in resonance... any solutions?
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Download
Thu Apr 02 2015, 05:26AM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
Location: Adelaide Australia
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It's been a while since I've posted.

I'd be worried about the thin wire between your caps, primary and spark cap. The spark gap too would be some concern to me, it's a bit unusual...

The capacitors are also troubling. Have you got a part number for them? I tried Googling from what I could see in the pictures but couldn't find them. What is their total rated voltage?
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Sigurthr
Thu Apr 02 2015, 05:28AM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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Well, right off the bat I can see you've got thin gauge wire for all the interconnects. Wire is very resistive at RF frequencies due to skin depth and stray inductance. Other than that you didn't mention your grounding setup, and the ground system is literally half of the tesla coil. A low impedance RF ground will greatly enhance performance of any TC.
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Scott Fusare
Thu Apr 02 2015, 08:51AM
Scott Fusare Registered Member #531 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 10:51AM
Location: Burlington, Vermont
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Patric,

I would guess that much of the problem is due to your spark gap not quenching properly. As an experiment, try directing a stream of high speed air into the gap and noting any change in output discharge length. I think you may see a significant improvement in performance.

There is much info elsewhere on the forum regarding proper spark gap design.

Good luck
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Mads Barnkob
Thu Apr 02 2015, 10:03AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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Patric, please upload a schematic of how you connected your complete circuit, we have no chance to help you with so few details.

Tell us all in detail that you have tried, all details of your setup and we will all be able to give you a proper range of possible problems and solutions.

How exactly did you connect those MOTs? From the pictures I can see that you have the primaries in series, so you have all the secondaries in series to get 5kV? How about the phasing of the transformers?

You primary coil is somewhat... artistic looking, get in bent in a proper shape with some simple holders from whatever household item made of plastic. From all I can see it could be short circuiting somewhere.
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Patric
Thu Apr 02 2015, 11:12AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
Location: Deinze, Belgium
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This is the layout:

1427973045 2899 FT170179 Tesbiglayout


I have almost 6 kVolt all together.

(Thanks for the help to everyone!)
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Download
Thu Apr 02 2015, 11:46PM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
Location: Adelaide Australia
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Your diagram says you have the four MOTs in series. Was that your intention?
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johnf
Fri Apr 03 2015, 12:57AM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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Patric
You should have the primaries in parallel and the secondaries in series. This is why you are not getting much power
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Patric
Fri Apr 03 2015, 04:11PM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
Location: Deinze, Belgium
Posts: 254
In parallel the MOTS take to many amperes.
I gave up, and will use the MOTS for a beautiful Jakob's-ladder. sad

Movie is coming in a couple days.
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Teodor Zafiroski
Fri Apr 03 2015, 04:28PM
Teodor Zafiroski Registered Member #48007 Joined: Wed Jun 18 2014, 01:00PM
Location: Prilep, Republic of Macedonia
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Maybe two MOT's instead of 4, and use one with a shorted secondary to ballast them both. So you will need three MOT's and the power demand would be reasonable...
At that power levels, a static spark gap is not suitable.
Also, why did you use MKP caps in a SGTC???
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