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zzz_julian_zzz
Sat Feb 07 2015, 04:21PM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
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Hi,

I am still building my QCW bridge, just noticed something strange in the Gate Emitter Voltage waveform on my IGBT (parallel, full bridge, separated resistor - 10 ohms), when Bridge (TO-247 IGBTs) is connected to the GDTs, the output waveforms coming from 2 GDTs (G-E) are going "CURVY" @ 420 khz , 10ms ON TIME, not unlike when the bridge is disconnected from GDTs, waveforms are square - so are ok.

Any idea why this is happening ? and should I really need to be worried of this gate waveform or this is normal?
Maybe 10 ohms is a bit high that's why the waves are slow (curvy) ? any thought is highly appreciated, thank you.

1423326108 3964 FT0 420 Khz

1423326108 3964 FT0 420 Khz Sq
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johnf
Sat Feb 07 2015, 06:40PM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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I think this is caused by the gate capacitance of your IGBT.
To prove it lower the gate resistor to 3.3 ohms and see if the wave form steepens up
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loneoceans
Sat Feb 07 2015, 06:59PM
loneoceans Registered Member #4098 Joined: Fri Sept 16 2011, 09:26PM
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What transistors are you using? I use 15 ohms on each of my TO247 IGBTs (60N60 or 50B60) and they do fine at 400kHz. What I expect to see is that the gate voltage (from 0) should rise up quite smoothly to about 8-10V, plataeu for a while, and then shoot up to 24V or whatever your gate drive voltage is. But when you zoom out it should look square.

Are you measuring it properly? Make sure your bridge rails are isolated when measuring with a scope.
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zzz_julian_zzz
Sun Feb 08 2015, 12:20AM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
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loneoceans wrote ...

What transistors are you using? I use 15 ohms on each of my TO247 IGBTs (60N60 or 50B60) and they do fine at 400kHz. What I expect to see is that the gate voltage (from 0) should rise up quite smoothly to about 8-10V, plataeu for a while, and then shoot up to 24V or whatever your gate drive voltage is. But when you zoom out it should look square.

Are you measuring it properly? Make sure your bridge rails are isolated when measuring with a scope.

I think I'm isolated, because the 240v coming to my scope came from an isolation transformer 1:1.. so the bridge (i think) would be isolated. I use this transistor STGW60H65DFB. I don't see any square waveforms... (If the test signal (from my frequency generator is at 100khz, it is perfectly square, but when I try increasing the frequency up, 200khz-300khz, the "square corners" wave turns to curve until I see an almost sine wave G-E signal. I somehow see that 10v plateau you were saying, it is as if the wave stops for a moment and then spike up.
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Kizmo
Sun Feb 08 2015, 11:13AM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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It sounds like you simply run out of drive power. To verify you could try to drive just 2 or 4 transistors and see if it improves things
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zzz_julian_zzz
Sun Feb 08 2015, 03:55PM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
Location: Valenzuela City
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Kizmo wrote ...

It sounds like you simply run out of drive power. To verify you could try to drive just 2 or 4 transistors and see if it improves things

I'm afraid this could be the problem. I could try reducing the driven transistors in the next few days, and see the G-E waveform. Assuming the waveform improves(and i believe it will, because at no load transistors, even test frequency at 500khz waveforms in my GDT secondaries are clean square), what things can I do to "counter" the lacking driver power problem?
My current scheme looks like this:
Thanks in advance.

1423410933 3964 FT168883 Driver Tc4426


EDIT: MOSFETS were swapped in the drawing. P channel on the high, N channel at the low. sorry.
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