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Kolas
Sat Jan 24 2015, 02:51AM
Kolas Registered Member #102 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:15PM
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So I've bought a couple of these bricks from my local surplus guy. They are about 20 years old!
At first I figured they were just too slow. but then I actually looked them up: Link2
I've searched and searched, but I cannot find that anyone has used them specifically for a bridge inverter for a Tesla coil. So I wanted to get the opinions of you guys. Compared to the cm300dy12 they appear to be faster. They also appear to have a higher dissipation rating (not really important) and a similar voltage drop.
Finally their switching speeds are almost the same for turn on and off. Which I think means that less dead time is needed.

The secondary and top load calculate out to about 81khz.
Is there any reason these _very cheap, and plentiful_ bricks would be a bad choice?
Thanks guys, in advance.
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loneoceans
Sat Jan 24 2015, 11:29PM
loneoceans Registered Member #4098 Joined: Fri Sept 16 2011, 09:26PM
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Kolas wrote ...

So I've bought a couple of these bricks from my local surplus guy. They are about 20 years old!
At first I figured they were just too slow. but then I actually looked them up: Link2
I've searched and searched, but I cannot find that anyone has used them specifically for a bridge inverter for a Tesla coil. So I wanted to get the opinions of you guys. Compared to the cm300dy12 they appear to be faster. They also appear to have a higher dissipation rating (not really important) and a similar voltage drop.
Finally their switching speeds are almost the same for turn on and off. Which I think means that less dead time is needed.

The secondary and top load calculate out to about 81khz.
Is there any reason these _very cheap, and plentiful_ bricks would be a bad choice?
Thanks guys, in advance.


Notice that in most Powerex IGBT datasheets, the switching times are given for a resistive load while the Toshiba ones are given for an inductive load. Inductive switching can lead to faster rise times than resistive switching by resonant charging of the output capacitance of the transistor, so it may not be as fast as one would think. The datasheet looks like it was back from 1997(?) though, so they have less robust technology than today's bricks, and may not do so well especially at the higher voltages. However, I note that older IGBTs tend to be a bit more over-engineered (e.g. the popular 40n60 miniblocs seem to be very robust and performed well over the specifications), as newer technology allows the shrinking of die size.

Otherwise, a quick comparison with all the main characteristics does seem to indicate that this IGBT looks fairly similar to the 12H, and should be good for use. Sadly the only time I got to try a Toshiba IGBT was a failure because one of the transistors I got (from eBay) was shorted on arrival so I never got to build my Toshiba bridge. Would be happy to hear if anyone else has had any experience with these bricks.

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Kizmo
Sun Jan 25 2015, 09:15AM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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One thing that does show the age of these Toshiba devices: Look at the switching SOA. Collector current is largely derated as Vce goes up.

prx/mitsu 12H has square switching SOA.
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