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IamSmooth
Tue Sept 16 2014, 08:52PM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I want to get pure sodium hydroxide for developing my pcb. Is food-grade pure? Any suggestions where I can get some cheaply? I've seen it on Amazon. In the past I've seen it in some stores.

Edit: I just got some from amazon
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Daedronus
Wed Sept 17 2014, 08:40AM
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Drain cleaner in solid form is usually NaOH, check the label.

However, NaOH is usually used for stripping the etch mask, for developing normally you want Na2CO3, that is washing soda.

A simple way to make it is to get baking powder (sodium carbonate) and put it in the oven for 1..2 hours. It will decompose into Na2CO3 above 200C

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Shrad
Wed Sept 17 2014, 10:04AM
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if I'm right, it will also generate plenty of CO2 so do it in a vented area
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Daedronus
Wed Sept 17 2014, 11:11AM
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Yes you are, good warning.
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IamSmooth
Thu Sept 18 2014, 01:48AM
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Na2CO3 can be used instead of ammonium persulfate? I think I misinterpreted your post. Maybe you meant it can be used to remove the photoresist.
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Daedronus
Thu Sept 18 2014, 08:36AM
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I'm talking about developing and stripping, not etching.

You where asking about sodium hydroxide(HaOH) , it's usually sold as drain cleaner, while small blobs, but, for negative etch masks it's bad, it's used for stripping not developing.

Sodium carbonate (No2CO3) is used for developing, and it can be made from backign soda( sodium bicarbonate, NaHCO3).

Check the manufacturer's data for the mask.


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Conundrum
Thu Sept 18 2014, 09:19AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi, you really are better off with silicate as it is much more forgiving and has a multi year shelf life.
Sodium carbonate can be made from bicarbonate by heating, also you can kludge together a basic silicate using water glass (Na2SiO3) and sodium carbonate.
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Daedronus
Thu Sept 18 2014, 09:23AM
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I would also like to try silicate for developing, do you have a recipe for a developing solution?
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Conundrum
Thu Sept 18 2014, 10:31AM
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Leave that with me, I am out at the moment but will try and check to get exact amounts.
It needs a lot of experimentation as despite silicates being kinder than NaOH it can still overdevelop if you get it wrong enough.

EDIT. from "Mikeselectricstuff.com"

"Thanks to Robin Moorshead for the following procedure to make silicate developer solution:
Take 200cc of "water glass", add 800cc of distilled water and stir. To this add 400g of sodium hydroxide (caustic soda).
Important safety precautions: The sodium hydroxide solid must NEVER be handled, use disposable gloves. When the sodium hydroxide dissolves in water it produces a great deal of heat so it must be added a little at a time and each portion allowed to dissolve before more is added. If the solution becomes very hot leave it to cool before adding more sodium hydroxide.
The solution is VERY caustic and it is particularly damaging to the eyes, use eye protection when making and handling it.
It also ruins clothing. Water glass is also known as "sodium silicate solution" and "egg preserver", It used in fire proofing fabrics, for waterproofing walls and making "chemical gardens". Caustic soda is used for clearing drains and available from any chemist. The solution cannot be made by dissolving solid sodium silicate.
This solution will be the same strength as the concentrate, and so will need diluting - about 1 part concentrate to 4 to 8 parts water, depending on the photoresist used and temperature.!"
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Dago
Fri Sept 19 2014, 08:08AM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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I have always used NaOH or KOH to succesfully develop my homebrew PCBs.

Not much sense in making them at home anymore though because PCBs are so cheap from China. Maybe if you're in a hurry.
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