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Welding with Mg

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Conundrum
Tue Jun 24 2014, 03:51AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.
I just had an interesting experience with Mg metal when testing to see how easily it would ignite,

Formed a plasma arc using 6 PP3s in series, that worked smile
Would not a simple method like a CCFL driver, fire cement covered Mg strip backed with iron oxide (modified thermite) and the weld underneath then get hot enough for the underlying metal to indeed fuse?
The formed Mg2O3 would act as a flux, if not boric acid would be the obvious choice.

Just a crazy idea, and as long as the weld was sealed and filled with flux prior to ignition it should work.

-A
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Bored Chemist
Tue Jun 24 2014, 07:44PM
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Never heat anything in a sealed space without thinking really hard about it first.
For example, Boric acid is volatile and would exert rather a lot of pressure under those conditions.
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Conundrum
Fri Jun 27 2014, 07:44AM
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Thanks for that!

I'll have to try something else to get B metal..
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Ash Small
Thu Aug 21 2014, 10:37AM
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Ideally, in most situations, you want to heat the workpiece prior to welding, if light alloy. This results in less distortion, etc.
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Enceladus
Thu Feb 09 2017, 06:47AM
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What the heck is a PP3?
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hen918
Thu Feb 09 2017, 12:44PM
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Enceladus wrote ...

What the heck is a PP3?
It's a standard code for the small 9 V battery with the snap on contacts.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Fri Feb 10 2017, 03:47AM
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Magnesium is only 2+, MgO is the oxide.

Boric acid would be really corrosive to Magnesium, it would oxidize quickly and the Boric acid would reduce to Boron Oxide.

Magnesium would have to be welded in Argon/Helium, or probably Ammonia (heavy Nitrogen) where the hot gas acts as the flux and ignition suppression at the same time.
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Conundrum
Mon Feb 13 2017, 03:47AM
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Interesting ideas, thanks.

I did wonder about using Mg as a shortcut to get B metal via a 2 step reaction with carbon to reduce BO to B as an intermediate for MgB2.

Interesting experiment, SiC + MgCaCO3 + C + MW = CaC2 and some other assorted oxides such as SiO2 and MgO
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