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A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears

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Andy
Wed Apr 16 2014, 09:00AM Print
Andy Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
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Thoughts?


1397766905 4266 FT1630 Images2


Link2, The neutrino has a 1/2 spin which could account for the gears in the system, rather than fixed, passing neutrinos could make a changing gear ratio sizes well still maintain the 720/180 spin.

Link2
Link2
Related

The theory would allow beta decay, through neutron spin, to interact with the electron

Semi related
Link2
Proton neutron charge exchange, with the spin/information exchange

Closely related
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This interaction is the same as the one at left since a W+ going right to left is equivalent to a W- going left to right.

A neutron or proton can interact with a neutrino or antineutrino by the exchange of a Z0.




The theory also allows for signal cancellation, the outer magnetic will produce ac fields that can be canceled by other ac fields, producing a stable field, the system is designed for multable atoms interaction, but to test a single atom in vacuum(a single hydrogen atom with a electron, but as hydrogen is bonded to another hydrogen atom to form stable structure it would be diffcuilt to test), should change the spin of another with repeated measurement tests taken.

This theory is to try and explain electron clouds

1397871606 4266 FT1630 Electron Cloud2

, and that they might not be random, weather from other atom in close proximity that will change the 3d angle of the orbits, or neutrinos that will change the distance from the nucleus.
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Sulaiman
Wed Apr 16 2014, 09:55AM
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" I don't know what physic force the gears would be "
................................................. ......................
a new sub-atomic particle .. 'gearons' ?

I think that your model would radiate an alternating magnetic field
so it cannot represent atomic structure.
(conservation of energy etc.)
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Andy
Wed Apr 16 2014, 10:31AM
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Thanks Sulaiman
I think I'll have to read up some more about the understand of atoms, was just a idea.

Found some links, its going to take a month or so to understand, but I think the above model might be different.
Link2
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This below, was something the produce some strange patterns with data from measurement tools, about atoms. I thought it might be relevant.

4032.600098 = 1(g/1000.6642)*Ekg)*360
g = 9.80665m/sec
Ekg = 9.1093

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Andy
Sat Apr 19 2014, 02:09AM
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Hi Sulaiman
I think this explains the
I think that your model would radiate an alternating magnetic field
so it cannot represent atomic structure.
If radiation from the suns, produce a electric potential throughout the solar system, it could have kicked started the fluctuation.

Thoughts?

Link2
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Conundrum
Sat Apr 19 2014, 07:10AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hmm. I think this sounds interesting.

The current consensus with superheavy atoms is that closed baryon shells ie doubly magic nuclei are much more stable against alpha decay due to the strong nuclear force but as a result are more prone to spontaneous fission.

The gear analogy is an interesting way to see this, however maybe weakly magnetic gears with small teeth would be a more accurate method?

See Link2 Warning: Nasty math with imaginary numbers
-A
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Andy
Sat Apr 19 2014, 08:53AM
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Hi Conundrum

I'm not sure about the inner structure of the nucleus and weather it forms some type of halbach array, so some magnetic s from some neutrons get canceled, just that overall it should make a dipole magnetic.

I'm assuming that neutrons might switch between electrons and back, like beta decay but without leaving the nucleus, maybe get hit from some sub particle, or electrons that get close to protons is the stable form and that neutron/protons are the unstable form.
confused

Don't know..

Thanks for the link.
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Conundrum
Sat Apr 19 2014, 10:36AM
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Hmm.. interesting analogy.

I did have a thought about alternate decay modes, the recent work with isotopic enhancement of HTSC suggests that in theory energy normally contributing to rapid decay could decouple to the electron shells and be converted to Cooper pairs, allowing for longer half life.
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Andy
Sun Apr 20 2014, 01:06AM
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With the Cooper pairs arrangement, if the orbit electrons went more to one side Link2 , it might change the magnetic field which is meant to be static(nucleus), and allow a neutron that is switching to a electron to escape from the otherside.

Found this link Link2, which should explain part of the electron/electron interaction, and will see if I can add the 780/180 spin, in theory all the electrons could be on one half side of the nucleus at some point in time, but will probable need another atom close by, say a oxygen atom to make O2. If firing electrons at the two atoms, changes the orbits there should be noticeable effects, one oxygen atom is 504.075012, the 0.075012 mutliped by 2 atoms, assumes that one of the atoms becomes a isotope which matches the O15(15.0030656(5))+- in isotopic mass with two electron that transfer between atoms, should make it have some effects of Beryllium(Be8) with 8.00530510, mass

Because of its low density and atomic mass, beryllium is relatively transparent to X-rays and other forms of ionizing radiation
Maybe this is away to test the theory, create a plasma discharge in 100% oxygen and see if it is more transparent to X-rays, assuming that the weight/mass of Oxygen will drop to that of Beryllium, while the neutrons chance to electrons then back.

Pushing the theory some what to its limits, but there's no reason in its bounds to say it can't

The 1000.6642, is meant to take into account orbits of electrons, the 1000 is made up of 1meter radius 1kg and 10m/sec(gravity rounded, some calculation added from coulomb force of electron), with the 0.6642 the sun-(Jupiter+Saturn+earth+gravity offset), assuming that spinning electrons makes artificial gravity, with the right side the correction offset from being in the same gravity field. Don't no the name of the maths foumla, but is like xor, two inputs one output, the overall data makes a scale that can change based on the distance from the very center of the nucleus to the electron, plus the degrees of rotation, and mass, assuming that small masses speed up larger masses, while large slow down smaller masses. Its why the Sun is in the equation, as the gravity field will effect the orbits of electrons.
Foumla is designed to butchered cheesey
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Steve Conner
Sun Apr 20 2014, 08:21AM
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Will you guys quit trying to explain quantum phenomena in terms of classical intuition? tongue
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Conundrum
Tue Apr 22 2014, 04:50AM
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Fair enough.. still interesting though.
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