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RateReducer
Tue Jul 23 2013, 03:17PM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
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Hi. I am looking for a working QCW modulator... There are hardly any QCW circuits on the net. sad
I found this one: Link2
Will it work? If not - does anybody have a working circuit for me?

Regards

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Gregory
Tue Jul 23 2013, 04:20PM
Gregory Registered Member #2922 Joined: Sun Jun 13 2010, 12:08AM
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You can use my phase-shift modulator. It can do all the modulation with not two stages, like the voltage controlled QCW. You can replace the uC with a complete analog control. This driver has a local oscilator to start the cycle, OCD, phase-lead.

Link2
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RateReducer
Wed Jul 24 2013, 08:02AM
RateReducer Registered Member #4603 Joined: Wed Apr 25 2012, 07:33PM
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Hi Gregory. Thanks for the reply but i am only looking for the modulator/ramp generator. It should be simple to build...
So does this circuit work properly? Link2
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HV Enthusiast
Wed Jul 24 2013, 12:58PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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Any simple analog ramp generator will work just fine, although a uProc will be easier to implement.

Basically you just need a steady-state bias level and a ramp. Both can be fed into a summing op-amp circuit and create the resulting waveform you need to feed into your buck or whatever circuit. For my own experiments, I usually set the steady-state bias for about 50-100V and then the ramp from that level up to the max.

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RateReducer
Wed Jul 24 2013, 01:54PM
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I already found a circuit for generating the ramp but i am not shure which buck converter i shuld use...?
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HV Enthusiast
Wed Jul 24 2013, 02:45PM
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RateReducer wrote ...

I already found a circuit for generating the ramp but i am not shure which buck converter i shuld use...?

A buck converter is a buck converter. Its a specific switching power topology that is non-isolated and regulates to a voltage less than the input.

In the most simplistic terms possible, you would simply rectify your AC line through a doubler (i.e. 340VDC from 120VAC input), and then feed into a buck converter which would be modulated via that QCW ramp function where the output voltage would be the rail on your bridge feeding your coil.

So you would need to design a buck capable of those voltages, heat dissipation, as well as the proper bandwidth required for your specific application. (i.e. must be respond fast enough to your ramp function)

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Steve Ward
Tue Jul 30 2013, 07:30PM
Steve Ward Registered Member #146 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:21AM
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You can either implement a synchronous buck converter (using a half-bridge) or a single switch buck (much more common, bottom "switch" turns into a diode only). With IGBTs, there is no efficiency gain really for the synchronous buck. Normally its advantage is that it replaces a diode drop with a mosfet's low on resistance for conduction, but that only works with fets, as IGBTs are just as lossy as diodes for the most part.

The reason i used a synchronous buck to start with was because i thought it was necessary to be able to turn the output down without relying on the load to discharge the output. Later, i used a single switch buck so that there was no concern of cross-conduction between my 2 switches.

Sorry, no schematic from me, all my old documentation of that stuff is quite a mess.

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zzz_julian_zzz
Thu Oct 03 2013, 03:38PM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
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EasternVoltageResearch wrote ...


A buck converter is a buck converter. Its a specific switching power topology that is non-isolated and regulates to a voltage less than the input.

In the most simplistic terms possible, you would simply rectify your AC line through a doubler (i.e. 340VDC from 120VAC input), and then feed into a buck converter which would be modulated via that QCW ramp function where the output voltage would be the rail on your bridge feeding your coil.

So you would need to design a buck capable of those voltages, heat dissipation, as well as the proper bandwidth required for your specific application. (i.e. must be respond fast enough to your ramp function)



Sorry guys, just a Q, @ EVR, by proper bandwidth you mean the switching frequency of the Ramp (internal) to be compared on the resulting error waveform of the feedback and the output of the "ramp generator"?
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