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Conductivity of ethanol at various concentrations

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Marko
Thu Nov 15 2012, 09:24PM Print
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hey guys

I'm contemplating to use ethanol as a direct cooling agent for power electronics, and information for this use is hard to find. DOs anyone know what would be approximate conductivities (compared to, for example, deionized water) of 96% and 99% dehydrated ethanol, for voltages <500V?

Marko
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Bored Chemist
Thu Nov 15 2012, 09:30PM
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It will be a better insulator than high purity water.
but it will have a lower heat capacity and lower boiling point.
It also tends to attack some insulators and above all, it's very flammable.
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Marko
Thu Nov 15 2012, 10:01PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hi bored chemist

if 96% ethanol can attain better insulating properties than deionized water, that's excellent news.

Heat capacity is around 2/3 that of water if I remember correctly, not a big deal here.

As far as flammability goes I'll have to deal with it; the system will not be exposed to air but I'll have to take special care preventing possible large semiconductor explosions resulting in loss of containment and burning alcohol spilling everywhere.

The insulators used will involve:

- PCB material (fiberglass + epoxy)
- Acrylic
- PVC
- Latex rubber seals

As far as I can tell there should be no problems with those, but I'm always glad to hear expert opinion :)

Marko
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Pinky's Brain
Thu Nov 15 2012, 11:42PM
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Why use it over oil?

BTW, how much volume do you have to fill? There is always Freon 11 and Fluorinert.
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Marko
Fri Nov 16 2012, 01:33AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hello

Well, a part of the idea is to be able to cool the alcohol down to about 170 kelvins in order to enhance conductivity of the mosfets. Alcohol is the cheapest and most available substance with decently low freezing point. Volume is going to be likely less than 1 liter.

For room temperature, I could use oil or fluorinert, but neither are too easily available here nor cheap.

Marko
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Conundrum
Fri Nov 16 2012, 06:58PM
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Hi,
Wish I'd read this about a week ago before my expensive BRD write diode bit the dust from overheating.
Turns out that the laser emitter gets ridiculously hot despite the surrounding can getting only warm.

Direct liquid cooling would have the advantage that the diode would have a better optical match between the output facet than facet--air.
It shouldn't affect the cavity itself as this is sealed.

(might try it with a sacrificial writer diode from a DVD..)

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rikkitikkitavi
Fri May 06 2016, 07:45PM
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I know this is a late reyply, but ethanol cooled to 170 K or -100C is solid.
Acetone and dry ice is a common cooling mixture.
Anyhow most solvents coolrd below -20C would be below their flash point, and therefore not possible to ignite. A dirty solution is to use propane tanks, and use evaporative cooling. But the vapour must be burned of safe,y or you will create an explosive gas mixture.

Acetone and dry ice is probably a safe bet.
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Bored Chemist
Sat May 07 2016, 05:51PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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rikkitikkitavi wrote ...

I know this is a late reyply, but ethanol cooled to 170 K or -100C is solid.

No it isn't
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rikkitikkitavi
Sat May 07 2016, 06:21PM
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With a viscosity around 10 mPas it might aswell be for the purpose of convective cooling.
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Bored Chemist
Wed May 11 2016, 03:00PM
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Good point; a lot of liquids will be rather viscous at those temperatures.
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