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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 07:50PM Print
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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Don't know why the driver I have just fails, gets warm on 12v input...

Here the 555 in 13vdc, and 45volts into the FET, limited by the primary of a ignition coil, as it's the only thing that doesn't melt, because of oil in it.

Sorry about the quality couldn't focus webcam...

Very little arcs here about 3.4cm very low current... :(

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Why so fail?

Here is a schematic...

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Zener and UF4007 removed. Could get more power by removing the limiting ignition coil, but I have only 1 555 timer, so I could also replace MOSFET for a better one like IRFP250n or even IRF640n... tried 250n, but it was a lower voltage arc....

I've seen a 555 on 30v 4a and it was very good power, I want higher voltage, not current, I'm also using the flyback's internal primary, which seems to give more power.
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Patrick
Mon Feb 27 2012, 07:59PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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you are connecting the 13vdc with + and ground wires right?
and you are using both + and ground on your 45volt side right?


from your schematic it looks like maybe your 45volt main power is being poorly grounded or sunk through the IC... maybe?

given your posted schematic the 45volt should kill the 555 as you have drawn it.

excluding all the above posibilities, it may be that your timing freq is to short with on-time, or to low in freq... if everything else is correct.
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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:02PM
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I know how the circuit works.

13VDC to - and + to 555 input, and 45vdc + to vcc+ on the output end of the driver, and - of 45vdc to - of the 555 input...

I think I'm doing it right, maybe I'm wrong?

Ever since I removed the TVS, the circuit is just bad... on 19vdc I could get very big arcs and with 45vdc input big arcs but not as big as 19vdc input when I got the driver...

So what's wrong, is there anything in the circuit that needs replacing because Sulaiman, did use this circuit on 12vdc 1a...
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Patrick
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:04PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Platinum wrote ...

I know how the circuit works.

13VDC to - and + to 555 input, and 45vdc + to vcc+ on the output end of the driver, and - of 45vdc to - of the 555 input...
45 volts should not be applied from pins 4,8 to pin 1, on the 555. is it?

what supply are you getting the 45 volts from? where did you get the 19volts from?
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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:06PM
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I have applied 45vedc where it says 20vdc on the schematic...
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Patrick
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:08PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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disconnect your 45v supply, reconnect your 19v supply and tell me how well the 19v circuit works...do you still get the High energy output like before?
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m4ge123
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:10PM
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Take out the ignition coil...
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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:12PM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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19vdc is terrible, it shuts off as it pulls to much current. MOSFET needs a fan...

Sorry about this schematic, but this is how I power the circuit.

Instead of 19vdc I'm using 45vdc for more power, the 19vdc is a laptop SMPS, 19v 4a.

The 45vdc is a CB radio supply, I modified, for just the transformer and bridge and smoothing caps, and it output 45vdc and 20a shortcircuit, then the voltage drops to 25v...

Thanks for helping.

If I take out the ignition coil, then I'll probably blow it up.

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Maybe an IRFP250N would be better...

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Before I used 5v for the 555, but the gate threshhold is 10v I think, so now I use 13v to turn the gate on all the way.
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Patrick
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:15PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Platinum wrote ...


If I take out the ignition coil, then I'll probably blow it up.

yes it will.

I presume you are using the primary of the iggy as the limiter?
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Platinum
Mon Feb 27 2012, 08:18PM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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Yes, and I'm also using the primary of flyback...

So any problem with the circuit?
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