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Differences between good fiberglass, and good Carbon fiber.

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Patrick
Tue Aug 16 2011, 07:07PM Print
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Differences between good fiberglass, and good Carbon fiber.

Does anyone know the differences between good well-made fiberglass and the good well-made carbon fiber? Are these fractional differences noticable/worth-it at our small 18 inch) UAV scale? I know carbon fiber is superior at the large scale as in manned air and space craft.

I want to keep the cost and difficulty down while still coming close to what carbon fiber would be. I've done fiberglass before, but not to much of the carbon fiber.

TY,
Patrick Coleman
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Ash Small
Tue Aug 16 2011, 07:14PM
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If you are having to ask these questions, you will be better off using glass fibre.

You'll probably want 'S' type woven glass (woven rovings)

You need to know exactly what you are doing in order to take advantage of the properties of carbon.

I assume you'll be using a wet lay-up, with epoxy, rather than pre-preg, but you will probably still benefit from vacuum bagging if you have access to a pump.

What is this for?
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Patrick
Tue Aug 16 2011, 09:02PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

If you are having to ask these questions, you will be better off using glass fibre.
I was afraid someone was going to say that.


Ash Small wrote ...

You'll probably want 'S' type woven glass (woven rovings)
like this pic:

1313529189 2431 FT1630 Fgpic



Ash Small wrote ...

You need to know exactly what you are doing in order to take advantage of the properties of carbon.
elaborate please...


Ash Small wrote ...

I assume you'll be using a wet lay-up, with epoxy, rather than pre-preg, but you will probably still benefit from vacuum bagging if you have access to a pump.
Yes as I make mostly flat sheet or compression molding for fiber glass.


Ash Small wrote ...

What is this for?
Go here -> Link2 , youll see.
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Ash Small
Tue Aug 16 2011, 09:08PM
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Patrick wrote ...

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Ash Small wrote ...

You need to know exactly what you are doing in order to take advantage of the properties of carbon.
elaborate please...


Ash Small wrote ...

What is this for?
Go here -> Link2 , youll see.


I'll elaborate later, for now I'd suggest using glass, with a view to maybe 'moving to carbon' once you've got everything else (electronics, etc) sorted out.

(EDIT: Carbon won't neccesarily make it any lighter, but, if done properly, may make it stronger)
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Patrick
Tue Aug 16 2011, 09:15PM
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Ok that sounds good , pic posted above.
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Ash Small
Tue Aug 16 2011, 09:29PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Ok that sounds good , pic posted above.

You're on the right lines there, maybe a finer weave/lighter cloth....but get the method 'sorted' using glass before moving to carbon. (Just my 2 cent's worth)
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Patrick
Tue Aug 16 2011, 09:39PM
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Can you give me an american source to buy this kind of stuff, i mostly buy Tap plastics and automotive FG stuff.
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Ash Small
Tue Aug 16 2011, 10:10PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Can you give me an american source to buy this kind of stuff, i mostly buy Tap plastics and automotive FG stuff.

I'll look into it tomorrow (I've had a drink or three now), but West Resins might be a good starting point for a google search (I know they do resins, not re-inforcements, but it still might be a good starting point).
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Patrick
Tue Aug 16 2011, 10:43PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

Can you give me an american source to buy this kind of stuff, i mostly buy Tap plastics and automotive FG stuff.

I'll look into it tomorrow (I've had a drink or three now), but West Resins might be a good starting point for a google search (I know they do resins, not re-inforcements, but it still might be a good starting point).

TY.
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2Spoons
Tue Aug 16 2011, 11:14PM
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I bought some carbon/kevlar tube for my kayak paddle from here Link2
They've got all sorts : glass, carbon , kevlar, basalt, and mixed materials. In cloth, tube, etc.
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